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--I am very curious to see why my post in metaphysics has been transfered to Odds and Ends.

--It looks like this is not very polically correct to move posts like this.

--But I trust the administration of this site because they have tolerated much more "uncomprhensible" posts of mine than this one.

--Let's see if they finally move it again in its natural place.

--That does not mean that I am going to folllow any 'line".

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Re: Letters from the cave

Permanent Linkby BioWizard on May 20th, 2009, 2:38 pm

It means that as we continue to elevate our website's posting standards, moderators are going to be increasingly vigilant about controlling the content of posted material. By how much and in what way? That will be decided by the individual moderators and the forums that they moderate.

Why are you posting forum feedback in your blog? Seems like a waste to me. I wouldn't have noticed it had I not been working on the coding of the blog module.
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Re: Letters from the cave

Permanent Linkby alpha_3 on May 20th, 2009, 5:08 pm

Ok, I had to find something to see how this new blog-system works.

After spending so much time in the science forums I missed a little philosophy. But things here seem to be a little changed. Rules, more rules and even more rules. I never have been very disciplined in my way of thinking. And this is perhaps a reason to work in philosophy.
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Permanent Linkby BioWizard on May 20th, 2009, 6:04 pm

Are you saying that in philosophy, undisciplined thought is expected, or at least allowed? It would appear that professional philosophers and students formally trained in philosophy disagree.
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Re: Letters from the cave

Permanent Linkby alpha_3 on May 20th, 2009, 6:30 pm

Yes, those are the "workers of philosophy" as Nietzche and Schopenhauer called them. Those philosophical "monsters", specially Nietzsche demystified this professionalism and viewed philosophy as akin to art and poetry. In all cases someone has to bring the new ideas, the fresh blood. And you may know that "create" often has the meaning of "abolishing", breaking into pieces. Philosophy is just a single edifice that we destroy and re-create from the beginning.
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Re: Letters from the cave

Permanent Linkby BioWizard on May 20th, 2009, 6:37 pm

Well I'm not a philosopher, but I would suppose that any pursuit of knowledge that doesn't build on the knowledge of those before and avoids making their same mistakes would appear to be completely useless and nonproductive to me. Thought doesn't need to be completely unrestrained to be fresh and creative. Trying to make the wheel square is not novel or creative our outside the box. It's stupid.
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Permanent Linkby alpha_3 on May 20th, 2009, 7:12 pm

I agree with you. This is surely the way that knowledge progresses. The opposite is far from my spirit. But the great historical figures are the ones who summarize this knowledge and build anew.Their building blocks? The work of their predecessors-in a negative or positive way.

Thought? Nietzsche writes that the greatest events in a philosopher's life are his thaughts and hit him from all sides! This refers to the original idea-you have after to follow a logical scheme, philosophers are also the most logical thinkers.

Analytical philosophy is said to follow another trend in its study. But today this is understood as a method only. All philosophy today has to be analytical.
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Permanent Linkby BioWizard on May 20th, 2009, 7:20 pm

That's why guidelines need to make for a minimal level of rigor or at least a maximal level of nonsensical gibberish, while allowing room for novelty and growth. Without any kind of guideline, even your material will be lost to nothing but noise in the sea of insanity running amock. It's a delicate balance that the moderators are always trying to attain.
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Re: Letters from the cave

Permanent Linkby alpha_3 on May 21st, 2009, 8:53 am

I have to accept that. although I am the first victim of these rules. I am going to discuss the mystery of the platonic cave here in my blog. I 'll post soon the rationale of my position here. And I invite anyone interested to join me here in my "cave" for a exciting itinerary into the platonic thaught.
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Permanent Linkby alpha_3 on May 21st, 2009, 9:36 am

For Plato, we are all ,mortals, living in a cave unable to see the daylight of true knowledge and the real objects behind us. He believes that the liberation of the soul from the weights of the body and the corporeal world is the necessary condition for us to raise ourselves to the heights of truth. Is this a mysticism, an appeal to religion or as he says this is the way that philosophers must follow? But in this case, what is the fate of philosophy? To lead the intellectual and political life and quide the blind to the light of the Perfect, he says. Has then philosophy been the leader of the times and is this goal any more feasible today? And what kind of secret knowledge is this that grants philosophy the natural right to lead? (Plato,The Republic).

Plato's "Republic"contains a number of important points all related to the idea of justice, which is the main theme of the dialogue. For a community to be governed in justice its best part must rule the inferior part of it. This is an aristocratic scheme where the "ariston" -which means the "very best"- has a natural right to rule over the weaker part of the city as in the level of a person reason has to guide and order the emotional and the physical part. So leadership, reason and knowledge are related closed together and find their incarnation in the person of the "philosopher" and of the "guardians" who have the heavy task to preserve city's ordered life.
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Re: Letters from the cave

Permanent Linkby alpha_3 on May 22nd, 2009, 4:38 am

A controversial point into Plato's philosophy is his theory of the Forms. Forms are abstract entities that are represented and mirrored in the particulars that constitute our everyday reality.The knowledge of the Forms is, to Plato, the ultimate knowledge that one can attain.

More precisely, Forms are the archetype-knowledge where all partial knowledge must refer. Philosophy's object are then the Forms and the philosopher -we have to understand as philosopher every person which is able to fructfully philosophize- finds his natural place in the very top of a city's hierarchy as the one who, possessing the knowledge of the true reality, becomes the city's lawgiver.
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