... After the war I was very worried about the bomb. I didn't know what the future was going to look like, and I certainly wasn't anywhere near sure that we would last until now. Therefore one question was: is there some evil involved in science?...
The thing that we have to keep in mind is that can we imagine a world without some form of science? Without science we would not have the means to communicate via mediums like this, and at best we would be living in a cave or some rudimentary shelter wondering as to how we would obtain our next meal and not be someone else's primal feast. Science, in effect, is about understanding how things work and why and hence it is not an exaggerated notion to say that science is the most important element in humanity's existence. Curiosity and thirst for knowledge is what led to the multiple branches of science and I would not go insofar as stating that there is evil in science – because there is not!
Science is the elemental stone that gave us security and comfort in life, and surely as there can be instances in which science can be used to great evil (such as the atomic bomb) it is more-so human ill-founded human nature that shapes it towards evil if at all. Science is about understanding how things works, on a fundamental basis, but the biggest misconception about science is that it has to be fully understood in order to fully appreciate it. When one turns the TV on, or uses a mobile phone, he/she does not necessarily understand the mechanics of it and instead we are granted inherited knowledge that we put to use for recreational and facilitation reasons. Bottom line is, science is not evil, what is evil are memes implanted onto the human mind that contradict logic of ethics (another science discipline). Ethics being a discipline of social sciences in my opinion (aka. philosophy to a great extent), and quoting Alex Barbos:
…Social sciences made us understand that, if we want to survive, we need to work together in an organized matter. This is what led to the apparition of the economic system, the political systems and the education system. …
With science humanity through the ages has been able to obtain a greater degree of self-awareness, and ultimately leads to a fine tuning process of growing at peace with the fundamental aspect that drives our inner nature, altruism – the altruistic gene concept. With this concept comes the enlightened state that indeed we are all connected, existence itself, and were it not for the complex relationships between the living and non-living we would never have the capability to appreciate the little things we take for granted at times.
Education is our first encounter with science and that in effect is bio-accumulative and inherited to a great extent. It is almost as if human beings were created/evolved with a natural tendency to thrive on science both on an intellectual level and for spiritual growth. Science allows us to determine where we are headed towards and where we come from and ultimately it is one of the greatest drivers of complexity of life itself.
neuro wrote:...By the way, I was wondering whether one might simply paraphrase:
Talking about the Value of Science is just like talking about the Value of Knowledge. ...
I would disagree there. The value of knowledge reflects a more personal inner stance as to one's understanding of concept(s) at large and is rather subjective and not objective. Whereas science is rather objective in nature – science can be granted without intrinsic knowledge itself. Would you not say that gaps in 'knowledge' is what drives one forward to pursue further lore whilst science itself is an 'act' that can be accumulated as knowledge if one should desire it. Some say ignorance is bliss, others care to disagree – we are all individuals but ultimately we are connected through sentience which can be further facilitated through science.
Marshall wrote:...What would they think of us (if they existed) if we had not discovered and measured the speed of light? I mean REALLY!!! ...
Really? I consider the speed of light to be only one small aspect of science. If indeed aliens discovered us and relished the fact that we had other highly evolved methods of science developed we would be granted significant praise for our other accomplishments. The arts, history itself, and emotional capacity principally would be most awe aspiring to some alien species ought them to exist. Or mayhap our weaknesses in compassion and caring, as imbued by an altruist gene, would shun us from any respect if indeed these cosmic entities were ruthless to the core bone. We never know quite what to expect from aliens as they could have evolved from entirely different constraints than our own development. Mayhap they are more concerned with the speed of a neutrino than the speed of light, or whatever other subatomic particle (or etc...) simply because they developed different senses than our own in perceiving the world. Maybe they have no visual organs to see photons as embedded in their structure, who knows?
Marshall wrote:...I have to raise the issue of the honor of the human mind
We have to consider this. We support scientific research because it is honorable....
By 'honour' I assume you mean that we value scientific research because it gives greater personal integrity and/or allegiance to moral principles. That to me is thinking about it a bit too deep. We, in my opinion, support science because it facilitates our lives and adds that aspect of excitement and wonder to the majesty of life itself, not because it is a duty as you so proclaim (well, some people may see science that way but not the average person imo).
It is 'honourable' to pursue science if it reflects and eventuates no evil I suppose. If indeed the cause of science is for a nobler cause, mayhap the good(s) of many in contrast to a few with intellect and potential development for growth being taken into account. Feynman points out that science does not give us instructions of how to 'use it', so what does? Ideals, virtue, a sense of history and empathy, or mayhap higher life could be the drivers that hold the answers to such questions. I indeed find it amazing that some primeval soup possibly established the fundamental building blocks of life, DNA, to such mind blowing lengths to create such INCREDIBLY complex organisms that indeed I would never dismiss the notion of there being no higher life out there.
There are experiments that will soon take place as to determine for a fact if indeed dark energy and dark matter exist out there. Although, these positronic experiments will take place in space (I think) we could still be a long way from discovering the nature of other dimensions, if at all possible. Is there a 'Prometheus' entity out there that carefully controls humanity's progress? Shall we be bestowed with fire from the gods yet again? And again, and again, time over again? And if we do come across alien species shall we bring the fire to them or instead obey star trek's prime directive? What shall be the ethical solution?