Dark Energy as a way to resolve the Dual Slit dilemma

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Dark Energy as a way to resolve the Dual Slit dilemma

Postby scientificphilosophe on March 30th, 2017, 9:59 am 

The Dual Slit experiments (including the quantum Eraser etc), have led to some extraordinary suggestions by scientists to the effect that some particles may have no shape or form until they are observed/measured/committed in a reaction - in which case they adopt a particle or wave form as appropriate.

If we distinguish between the two known forms of wave - a wavy line and a spreading wave, we see that the characteristics always point to very different source conditions.

A wavy line (like light) may be equated to a line of ships going over the waves of an ocean. A spreading wave like ripples in a pond, always comes by disturbing the 'ocean' not by changing the ships into pseudo waves. Yet this is what is being suggested by some scientists in relation to wave/particle duality.

Why don't we go looking for the ocean? A hidden pool or ocean approach would seem to easily explain all conditions in the Dual Slit experiments - and is similar to the guiding wave of the DeBroglie/Bohm theory.

What we lack is evidence for the hidden pool or ocean. I believe that David Bohm suggested that the hidden wave had no energy - which seems to lack credibility - but if we step back and say that cosmology has found the need for a pool of Dark Energy that must be everywhere - does this give us a place to look?
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Re: Dark Energy as a way to resolve the Dual Slit dilemma

Postby mitchellmckain on March 31st, 2017, 2:57 pm 

This comes under the class of a hidden variable theory which was conclusively disproven. David Bohm basically goes outside the accepted premises scientific world view and as a result might as well be employing a spiritual reality to rescue determinism. What he proposes has no more scientific basis than that, frankly. There is a point at which when you stop accepting what the experiments determine and stubbornly insist on personal beliefs like determinism and an eternal universe that you are basically doing a religion rather than science, and not a reasonable one at that (a reasonable religion would limit its claims to being consistent with what science discovers).
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Re: Dark Energy as a way to resolve the Dual Slit dilemma

Postby scientificphilosophe on April 4th, 2017, 11:30 am 

As far as I'm aware 'hidden variables' are not disproven - there is simply no evidence for them. That is not the same thing.

As we don't know what Dark Energy is either - it amounts to a hidden variable...
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Re: Dark Energy as a way to resolve the Dual Slit dilemma

Postby Braininvat on April 4th, 2017, 3:12 pm 

Fairies and elves are also not disproven. And yet we no longer study them scientifically or use them to explain dark energy or quantum field theory. Wonder why.
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Re: Dark Energy as a way to resolve the Dual Slit dilemma

Postby scientificphilosophe on April 10th, 2017, 11:19 am 

Braininvat » April 4th, 2017, 8:12 pm wrote:Fairies and elves are also not disproven. And yet we no longer study them scientifically or use them to explain dark energy or quantum field theory. Wonder why.


Dark Energy is a hidden variable because we have not detected it in any way.
Nasa et al use it as a necessary concept to fill a logical gap... but they do attempt to study it. It is also used in a lot of scientific speculation.

To say that these things are not being considered is itself nonsense.
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