Serpent wrote:The big central question is the US military. Is it all of one mind, united under a resolved leadership, ready to adhere to or refuse the new chief, or is it fragmented like the country? (I've been picturing those massive computers underneath the Pentagon, burning out one after the other, as they try to figure all the possible scenarios, the probabilities, the variables, available resources and best response to each. )
The police forces, I'm pretty sure are not all going to react the same way: some will be fanatically loyal, some opposed.
Does it come to civil war?
Serpent wrote:In that case, and if the US really does withdraw from the Middle Eastern theaters of war, we might actually have some peace and quiet there. Never mind previous USSR administrations, Putin's plan was always more viable than Clinton's. He'll get the last few drops of unburned oil - so what; it's way too expensive.
Forest_Dump » November 12th, 2016, 10:33 am wrote:[The big central question is the US military]
Personally I don't see any big issue here. I do expect we will see increased racial tensions in the US now that the radical right has been pumped up and is expecting a big payoff from Trump and this will involve some police forces more than others
and include some stresses within the military but I think we are a long way away from anything like the military coups we have seen elsewhere in the world.
Serpent wrote:Factor in the increasingly irate minorities, who are psyched to fight back. I remember pretty serious riots on far less provocation than Trump proposes. That soup's ready to boil over.
Serpent wrote:Not that - well, not yet. I meant, will they follow the kind of illegal and idiotic orders he's likely to issue? Some generals have declared, early in the campaign, that they were not prepared to do so. Will he attempt a purge of the top echelons - and will they stand for it? Will he attempt a sudden, unprepared withdrawal from strategic positions? Will he pay attention to - or comprehend, or regard - intelligence reports? Will he take advice from anyone who actually knows anything about foreign affairs?
BadgerJelly wrote:Personally I think the major threat to the US is the US and has always been the US.
Forest_Dump » November 12th, 2016, 11:37 am wrote: Trump, bad as he is IMHO, probably is sweating about the prospect of bottling up all those lunatics he stirred up
I actually do predict the US splitting up is an increasing possibility but I have been predicting that for decades
The US has always been very isolationist.
Braininvat wrote:One possible silver lining is that he can be led to moderate some of his more outrageous positions - he used to be a New York Liberal, anyone remember those days, not so long ago?
Serpent wrote:I've heard some backing off on health insurance already, so OK....
Forest_Dump » November 12th, 2016, 3:45 pm wrote:As to the environmental and climate change stuff, that was always going to be a tough sell to places like China and I think it is pretty clear it is not going to be on Trump's agenda no matter which way he compromises on other issues. Unless something very big and dramatic happens I think it is now a completely dead issue for four or more years.
Serpent » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:41 pm wrote:See, even ronjanec is working ---
Bet you didn't expect the winners to get their rewards this fast!
Forest_Dump » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:55 pm wrote:ronjanec out building walls perhaps? Listing people sympathetic to muslims or latinos in the neighbourhood? Or just one of those manufacturng jobs that came back this week?
Is it true that Republicans are very divided already regarding Trump? If that is the case then it will be veyr difficult for Trump to get people behind his ideas if they were already staunchly against him. For sure I imagine the world view of The US has been weakened politically. Long term this may actually not be a terrible thing and give the next president a more neutral position to build from?
I am not for isolation and bizarrely I actually think once countries have self authority they are more likely to cooperate.
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