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Serpent » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:49 pm wrote:Never found out what the [over-made-up] Klingons were upset about.
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Serpent » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:49 pm wrote:They talk like the youngsters on their cellphones: fast, high and soft - with too much background music, so we couldn't understand most of the dialogue
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zetreque » September 25th, 2017, 1:20 am wrote:Are you talking about the actors actresses LGBTQLMNOP or the commercials? Sounds like a typical bad creator/director movie/show feature.
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Braininvat » September 24th, 2017, 8:13 pm wrote:I am used to subtitles, didn't mind them. I am used to Klingons being remodeled with each new ST series - don't mind. I am used to conservation of momentum being violated when uncloaked ships skid to a halt without using thrusters. What I mind is seeing the first episode and then learning it's an ad for a streaming service I have no interest in subscribing to. Guess that's what broadcast tv is becoming - how soon will it all be reality shows, sports, and extended trailers for streaming series?
Wow, they are really banking on Trekkies being so devoted that people who already pay for Hulu and Netflix will pay another $6-$10/month to watch Spock's little sis kick Klingon asses.
Pass.
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JMP1958 » September 25th, 2017, 8:53 am wrote:Braininvat » September 24th, 2017, 8:13 pm wrote:I am used to subtitles, didn't mind them. I am used to Klingons being remodeled with each new ST series - don't mind. I am used to conservation of momentum being violated when uncloaked ships skid to a halt without using thrusters. What I mind is seeing the first episode and then learning it's an ad for a streaming service I have no interest in subscribing to. Guess that's what broadcast tv is becoming - how soon will it all be reality shows, sports, and extended trailers for streaming series?
Wow, they are really banking on Trekkies being so devoted that people who already pay for Hulu and Netflix will pay another $6-$10/month to watch Spock's little sis kick Klingon asses.
Pass.
If you just learned that the series was only going to be shown on the CBS streaming site after the premier, you haven't been paying attention. This was stated as the plan way back when they originally announced the new series.
As for the ships "skidding to a halt" , assume that effect was just their dropping out of warp.
I was a bit more irked by the continuity error of Klingon ships of that era having cloaking devices in the first place. Especially as I kept hearing about how the series had a team of experts devoted to maintaining continuity. I can deal with a lot of the technology the new series has (holographic projection for communication. etc), Because when you predict technological progress for SF today you extrapolate forward from where we are now, and you are not going to make the same predictions as they did 50+ years ago. The cloaking device, however, is not one of those technologies that can be extrapolated from present day tech.
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Braininvat » September 25th, 2017, 9:45 am wrote:
If you read my post, I indicated that I didn't mind the ships screeching to a halt without any apparent reverse impulse to cancel leftover momentum. (it was sort of a tongue-in-cheek comment - I tend not to use emoticons...) As for having "just learned" about the streaming plan, well, yes, you are correct. I am not a tv person, watch very little tv except for an occasional PBS docu or the occasional binge with a DVD of a premium series, and I do not follow the machinations of the media much. I don't have cable, Hulu, Netflix, or any other subscription service. I have a bizarre infatuation with reading and books and cling to the antiquated notion that my print fetish makes me smarter and possessed of a longer attention span. Go figure.
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zetreque » September 25th, 2017, 11:56 am wrote:I'm not a comic book fan but I just realized that the lack of respect for continuity and the star trek time line is possibly due to the creators and public liking for the marvel comic book universe these days? Not to mention the recent popularity of graphic novels.
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Braininvat » September 26th, 2017, 9:23 am wrote:What do people think of the endless tinkering with timelines, going back to the OS episode, "City on the Edge of Tomorrow." And then the old Trek timeline where Vulcan is an intact planet where Spock can go Amok, etc., while new (JJ Abrams) Trek has Vulcan imploded by Nero and only a few wise elders are rescued. Do Trekkies consider this evidence for a multiverse theory, or will Vulcan somehow be restored in a new Trek movie down the road? I'm still puzzled why just being in the 1930s, eating food, bumping into pedestrians, talking to people, wouldn't have a Butterfly Effect and still subtly change the future for Kirk, Bones, and Spock when they re-emerged from the time portal. (or why they didn't just wink out of existence when Kirk saved social worker Edith Keeler the first time, obviously making their timeline FUBAR?) This would suggest you never can change your own past timeline, yet it seems that, the first time back through the portal, they had indeed done just that.
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What I mind is seeing the first episode and then learning it's an ad for a streaming service I have no interest in subscribing to.
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- JMPThis also raises another interesting issue. What if Kirk and Spock had not been able to stop Bones from saving Edith Keeler? The whole issue was that she needed to die in order to prevent her from interfering with The US entering the war, which eventually leads to the Nazis winning. This can still be prevented by her death, but now, instead of just allowing her to be killed, active measures would have to be taken to ensure her death. They would be faced with the moral dilemma of killing Edith Keeler themselves or letting Nazi Germany take over the world and thus wiping out their own history.
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Agree that the quantum analogy, where small effects are swallowed up as historical noise, might apply well to many tv episodes and movies like that. I would love to see Seth McFarlane, with his new Trek hommage show "The Orville," do a sendup of the Keeler episode. The second ep of Orville was a somewhat amusing (on the sophomoric side) take on the famous Trek episode "The Cage." (the original pilot which was rejected, and then later incorporated into the 2-parter "The Menagerie.")
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