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Block Universe Fixed Events

Postby DragonFly on October 21st, 2015, 2:32 pm 

Are the block universe's events fixed and static such that they can be no other way because of the initial conditions of the Big Bang?
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Re: Block Universe Fixed Events

Postby Dave_Oblad on October 21st, 2015, 7:18 pm 

Yes.

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Re: Block Universe Fixed Events

Postby DragonFly on October 21st, 2015, 7:47 pm 

And the philosophy would be that Existence is a done deal, as, say, complete, rather than a 3D becoming that has to go on deterministically, because 4D is a necessity for something?
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Re: Block Universe Fixed Events

Postby Dave_Oblad on October 21st, 2015, 9:24 pm 

The evolution of 3D geometry is fine. But Science has discovered a step quality to this evolution... The Planck Interval. Since it seems that each single point in Space-Time must have 4 intersections (X,Y,Z,T) then it's natural to see Time as being a 4th Dimension. The expansion of the Universe indicates everything is moving away from each other but not from a single point in space. Thus this direction of expansion must be a 4th Dimension direction. One direction points back to the Big Bang and the opposite direction points towards the Future.

Is Existence a done deal? From outside this mathematical construct, then yes.. it is complete, instantaneous and is simultaneous with all other similar constructs. But from within.. is a different story. Given a temporal coordinate, all the precedes that point is history and after.. is the unresolved yet fully determined future.

Since a sequence can't skip steps, then from within such a sequence, there will always be those steps that precede and those steps that are to follow any given point. If you hold a place in that sequence, then you don't Exist until the sequence has reached your location and afterwords, your placement becomes history. For the stepped duration of your placement, you enjoy self-aware existence and are always at the leading edge of the sequence. That is Time. From within such a construct, it is a growing Block Universe that may never be complete.

From outside (as if such can exist) there is no Time, thus all Universes are instantaneous and complete (and simultaneous). This would make it really really really difficult to communicate between Universes..lol. Especially since there is no distance between them and they don't occupy any real Volume.

Math/Logic is so much fun...lol.

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Ps. Sure you want this in Beginner Science? It's rather Metaphysical.
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Re: Block Universe Fixed Events

Postby DragonFly on October 21st, 2015, 11:00 pm 

Being timeless, there's no 5th dimension beyond, in which change could be applied to it at large, for if we posit the 5th then we end up with an endless regress.
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Re: Block Universe Fixed Events

Postby vivian maxine on October 22nd, 2015, 9:40 am 

Dave_Oblad » October 21st, 2015, 8:24 pm wrote:The evolution of 3D geometry is fine. But Science has discovered a step quality to this evolution... The Planck Interval. Since it seems that each single point in Space-Time must have 4 intersections (X,Y,Z,T) then it's natural to see Time as being a 4th Dimension. The expansion of the Universe indicates everything is moving away from each other but not from a single point in space. Thus this direction of expansion must be a 4th Dimension direction. One direction points back to the Big Bang and the opposite direction points towards the Future.

Is Existence a done deal? From outside this mathematical construct, then yes.. it is complete, instantaneous and is simultaneous with all other similar constructs. But from within.. is a different story. Given a temporal coordinate, all the precedes that point is history and after.. is the unresolved yet fully determined future.

Since a sequence can't skip steps, then from within such a sequence, there will always be those steps that precede and those steps that are to follow any given point. If you hold a place in that sequence, then you don't Exist until the sequence has reached your location and afterwords, your placement becomes history. For the stepped duration of your placement, you enjoy self-aware existence and are always at the leading edge of the sequence. That is Time. From within such a construct, it is a growing Block Universe that may never be complete.

From outside (as if such can exist) there is no Time, thus all Universes are instantaneous and complete (and simultaneous). This would make it really really really difficult to communicate between Universes..lol. Especially since there is no distance between them and they don't occupy any real Volume.

Math/Logic is so much fun...lol.

Regards,
Dave :^)

Ps. Sure you want this in Beginner Science? It's rather Metaphysical.



Oh! "Math". I could have sworn that said "Myth/Logic is so much fun. I'll say no more. :-)
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