Does Time Actually Exist?

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Does Time Actually Exist?

Postby A Curious Mind on June 4th, 2016, 2:13 pm 

I thought my question was relatively simple: Does time exist? Simple right? Of course it exists, we experience it everyday! Or do we? I considered it and the more I considered the more my belief in time faltered.
A man standing outside with water pouring down around him would believe that he was standing in a rainstorm. but what if the water is coming from a hose? Or isn't even water at all? We move through our world with a thing we call time, but what if time is merely an illusion we have constructed in our minds? Is that even possible? Time is math and I have a great deal of faith in math but I also know that the human mind will create a concept to help them feel in control.
So, my questions are these: Is time real? Does it only exist in our minds? And if it does exist in our minds does that make it real? Or is it like the gods of old? A way of explaining something we don't understand and can't control?
Apologizes if this is a ridicules question and it just annoys people.
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Re: Does Time Actually Exist?

Postby Braininvat on June 4th, 2016, 2:56 pm 

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Re: Does Time Actually Exist?

Postby Dave_Oblad on June 6th, 2016, 7:24 pm 

Hi ACM,

Yes, Time is as real as anything else in this Universe. But most people don't really understand Time as we are inclined to define it based on our personal experience. For example: I stand on the premise that Time is a physical distance in the direction of the 4th Dimension. You can't, being 3D, point at the Center of the Universe unless you can point in the direction of Yesterday.

Bravo BiV, nice collection of good posts on the subject.

Regards,
Dave :^)
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Re: Does Time Actually Exist?

Postby BurtJordaan on June 7th, 2016, 12:58 am 

A Curious Mind » 04 Jun 2016, 20:13 wrote: So, my questions are these: Is time real? Does it only exist in our minds?

Time exists to prevent everything from happening at once! More scientifically, it is observed in nature as the temporal order in which causes precede effects. Nature seems not to care about our minds and perceptions.
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Re: Does Time Actually Exist?

Postby ronjanec on June 7th, 2016, 12:47 pm 

BurtJordaan » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:58 pm wrote:
A Curious Mind » 04 Jun 2016, 20:13 wrote: So, my questions are these: Is time real? Does it only exist in our minds?

Time exists to prevent everything from happening at once! More scientifically, it is observed in nature as the temporal order in which causes precede effects. Nature seems not to care about our minds and perceptions.


"Time exists to prevent everything from happening at once"? Burt, the guy(or gal) who came up with this statement originally was wrong: Everything does happen at once, or "now" as this is called;

An "event" that occurred prior to what is again called "now" cannot also exist "now" because the exact same physical conditions that occurred during this past event no longer exist in the exact same way anywhere in the universe(or the American Civil War battle of Gettysburg also occurring "now" for example)

Time does not prevent everything from happening at once, it is again the exact same past physical conditions never occurring again in the universe that prevent this.
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Re: Does Time Actually Exist?

Postby BurtJordaan on June 8th, 2016, 1:12 am 

Well, if time did not exist (whatever that may mean), then either nothing could happen (most likely), or everything had to happen at once.

Also, since "now" is a strictly observer dependent concept, there may be an observer somewhere in the universe for which the battle of Gettysburg is happening 'now', not by 'seeing' it, but by applying his definition of simultaneity.
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Re: Does Time Actually Exist?

Postby ronjanec on June 8th, 2016, 8:44 am 

BurtJordaan » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:12 pm wrote:Well, if time did not exist (whatever that may mean), then either nothing could happen (most likely), or everything had to happen at once.

Also, since "now" is a strictly observer dependent concept, there may be an observer somewhere in the universe for which the battle of Gettysburg is happening 'now', not by 'seeing' it, but by applying his definition of simultaneity.


"if time did not exist", most everything would still happen, because "time existing" basically just represents a system of synchronized measurement that man invented ("timekeeping"), and a mathematical based co-ordinate system that man also invented("Spacetime")

"now" actually represents a "state"(everything and everyone in the universe collectively existing anywhere right now) and this is not "strictly observer dependent".

Burt, I was not originally intending to get into a very long drawn out philosophical and ontological discussion about "the meaning of time" when I made my earlier post here, so I am very willing to "agree to disagree with you" about this unless you want to take this further and "go down the philosophical and ontological rabbit hole" with me. :)
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