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Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: November 8th, 2016, 2:13 am
by zetreque
Has anyone been following the N. Dakota Access Pipeline situation? IMO this is just as important of an event as the election because this is one of the largest problems we are facing in this country. fossil fuel versus civil rights wars.

It's escalating all the time as more people from around the country flock to the area. Last estimate I heard was 7,000

6 days ago from this post.



It’s Happening: These Cops Left Standing Rock and Refuse to Return
http://theantimedia.org/cops-leave-standing-rock/



Journalist shot with rubber bullet while giving interview.
http://fusion.net/story/365922/standing-rock-erin-schrode-shot-police-no-dapl/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fusion

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: November 8th, 2016, 11:06 am
by Braininvat
I live 3 hours away, and as you might guess (given my green politics) I've been following this. The ND governor is nothing but a tool for the oil industry. Yes, these issues, and Senate and House races may be of more importance in the log run.

And what genius came up with running a pipeline UNDER A MAJOR RIVER? (Smacks forehead)

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: November 8th, 2016, 11:16 am
by Forest_Dump
Oddly I have been hearing about this since mid(?) summer and thought it was old news when Woody Harrelson came out with statements. Back in Aug or Sept I had even been hearing from people close to me thinking about going down to join in as part of First Nations solidarity. Nonetheless I am equivocal for a variety of reasons so might wait to see how this thread goes before offering some points from the less favoured side.

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: November 8th, 2016, 11:38 am
by zetreque
There is a large group facebook group forming where I live. I know a couple of deeply dedicated people to indigenous rights. They travel all around the world. In fact, the trip I took to Alaska two years ago was with one of them through special invitation from the tribe. I wish I could be there in ND. Not so much as to support the people, but this is a cause that to me is worth standing for. I'm tired of the direction our country is taking when it comes to energy subsidies, water, and resources, and then when they trample people's rights and resources that's just extra sickening. Not even knowing who Mark Ruffalo is, I thought what he said was right on.

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 2:41 am
by zetreque
Nation wide protests against the pipeline.
https://actionnetwork.org/event_campaig ... -engineers

It's crazy following this story. There are lots of peaceful protestors but then you have secret police operations and violence on both sides. It's really hard to make sense of it. I don't think anyone should judge this situation without deep research to get to the truth. There are a lot of psychos confusing the issue. One thing is certain though. This is a movement for a stand against dirty energy, big money scare tactics, and clear civil rights violations.

As one of the protestors put it today. "we don't even want to bring attention to the police issue, this was supposed to be an environmental issue. I never expected it to turn into a civil rights issue."

If you ever wanted to join a movement for a better world. This is one that has momentum as long as people inform themselves and keep following it. Be peaceful and educate yourself and others as much as possible on reality.

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: November 11th, 2016, 8:20 pm
by zetreque
Veterans Head To Standing Rock To Support 'We The People'

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: December 21st, 2016, 3:45 am
by edy420
My people can relate to the Sioux tribes stuggles.
We have similar used and abused treaties and have to stand aside as sacred lands are desecrated.
Maori stand with standing rock, in prayer and with Haka.

The Maori war dance Haka evokes fear in the enemy, even enemy with guns.




Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: January 2nd, 2017, 5:37 pm
by zetreque
And the movement grows.

http://defunddapl.org

http://fortune.com/tag/divest-from-dapl/
Protesters who oppose the Dakota Access Pipeline dropped a large banner from the rafters of U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis during a Vikings-Bears game on Sunday afternoon.

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: June 17th, 2017, 6:09 am
by zetreque
The Standing Rock Sioux Claim ‘Victory and Vindication’ in Court
A federal judge rules that the Dakota Access pipeline did not receive an adequate environmental vetting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... rt/530427/

A federal judge ruled in favor of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe on Wednesday, handing the tribe its first legal victory in its year-long battle against the Dakota Access pipeline.


The president celebrated the pipeline during a speech last week in Cincinnati. “The Dakota Access pipeline is now officially open for business—a $3.8-billion investment in American infrastructure that was stalled,” he said. “Nobody thought any politician would have the guts to approve that final leg. And I just closed my eyes and said: Do it.”


So nice to know we have a president who makes decisions by closing his eyes signing orders saying out loud to himself "do it" without thinking. He sounds like he has mental problems if you watch the video of him saying "I just closed my eyes and said 'Do it.'"

Too bad he didn't say "Just do it." maybe Nike would add a 136th lawsuit against him since becoming president for stealing their slogan.

Proving he has mental problems:

“It’s up, it’s running, it’s beautiful, it’s great. Everybody is happy, the sun is shining, the water’s still clean. When I approved it, I thought I’d take a lot of heat. But I took none, actually none. But I take so much heat for nonsense that it probably overrode the other,” Trump added.


Oh yeah the thousands of people protesting are all just so happy. It's such a wonderful life. No heat? What are lawsuits? The water is clean? I guess he hasn't heard of the leaks they had already. He is deranged.

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: June 17th, 2017, 11:51 am
by Watson
The reason the industry wants a pipeline is, because it is permanent. And that is what they are looking for. While the various clean, green and other energy sources look for market share, the oil industry is looking to lock in their market share, with expensive and permanent infrastructure.

Yes truck and rail traffic could do the job, but that can be scaled back to accommodate a transition to other energies. It is not permanent. The pipeline is permanent. And it will be there for decades.

It will be tough to justify GREEN, anything, when we have this pipeline already there?

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: June 17th, 2017, 12:55 pm
by zetreque
Watson » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:51 am wrote:The reason the industry wants a pipeline is, because it is permanent. And that is what they are looking for. While the various clean, green and other energy sources look for market share, the oil industry is looking to lock in their market share, with expensive and permanent infrastructure.

Yes truck and rail traffic could do the job, but that can be scaled back to accommodate a transition to other energies. It is not permanent. The pipeline is permanent. And it will be there for decades.

It will be tough to justify GREEN, anything, when we have this pipeline already there?


Permanent only as long as there is oil. People want change. They want policy and money to go into green tech. That won't happen as long as they keep doing it the way of the dinosaurs. I got a change to tour the largest and first ever molten salt concentrated solar tower recently. Really cool stuff! But we are lucky to have even one of these towers due to political decisions, oil money, and old thinking.

Re: Standing Rock North Dakota Oil Access Pipeline

PostPosted: June 17th, 2017, 2:53 pm
by Watson
Yes that is my point. People want change, but the oil interests do not. The pipelines are permanent, and above all else, they inhibit and any change people may wish to make, and they will inhibit change away from oil and gas as an energy source for decades to come.