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Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby toucana on January 24th, 2017, 6:12 am 

President-elect Donald Trump is believed to be planning on shutting down arts and heritage programs as part of a raft of budget-tightening measures.

The Hill, whose source is an unnamed member of Trump’s transition team, reported that Trump will eliminate both the National Endowment For The Arts and the National Endowment For The Humanities, and privatise the Corporation For Public Broadcasting.

The latter partially funds National Public Radio (NPR) and Public Broadcasting Service (PBS), currently receiving $445.5 million a year from the government, around half of which goes to the US’ approx. 350 public television stations.


http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/donald-trump-budget-cuts-arts-humanities-nea-neh-npr-cbs-president-a7536741.html

Presumably the new administration will also be promoting the use of the 1930s German phrase Entarte Kunst (degenerate art) to go with their recent revival of Lügenpresse to explain and justify this initiative ?
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby Forest_Dump on January 24th, 2017, 8:50 am 

Well this is what those guys do. Steven Harper did the same thing and then began muzzling scientists. You can see a documentary on that called "The Silence of the Labs" on YouTube - unless that becomes banned as un-American. As they say, welcome to the New World Order.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby vivian maxine on January 24th, 2017, 9:52 am 

Many (but not all) schools discontinued art and music education. Maybe he went to one of those schools. The humanities have been under threat in many universities. Ditto? Sometimes what we see our leaders doing really does reflect the general picture of our culture. Perhaps some serious thinking is apt here?
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 10:26 am 

NationalProgressiveRadio is as far to the left in their very biased political and everything else broadcasting and reporting, as Rush Limbaugh is in his equally far to the right very biased political and everything else broadcasting.

And in the same way that many progressives would be really pissed off if your tax dollars were used to support Rush Limbaugh's very biased conservative radio show, we conservatives are equally pissed off that are tax dollars are used to support this very biased show only promoting the left's ideology.

A public radio station that receives a portion of every citizens tax dollars, should also fairly represent the political views of every citizen, and not just be the very biased in favor of the left version of 'the Huffington Post' on the public airwaves.

(PBS is not as bad as NPR, but they are also very biased to the left ideologically in their programming content)
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby Braininvat on January 24th, 2017, 10:49 am 

That's not true. Our NPR station has mostly nonpolitical content, everything from various niches of music to car repair to film reviews to....just about anything. And the news segments often interview conservative thinkers. The PBS station, ditto, and spends a huge amount of time following very conservative SD state politics. The governor would not grant extensive interviews with our NPR affiliates if they were the extremists you accuse them of being.

Ron, I'm going to ask you to reign in your far Right paranoia, and not make any more MSM slanders unless you have strong documentation. There are various media watchdog groups that study the kind of bias you're talking about, and you are capable of researching and posting links to media research, rather than just make accusations. So, enough. Document, or have your post deleted.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby SciameriKen on January 24th, 2017, 10:52 am 

ronjanec » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:26 pm wrote:NationalProgressiveRadio is as far to the left in their very biased political and everything else broadcasting and reporting, as Rush Limbaugh is in his equally far to the right very biased political and everything else broadcasting.

And in the same way that many progressives would be really pissed off if your tax dollars were used to support Rush Limbaugh's very biased conservative radio show, we conservatives are equally pissed off that are tax dollars are used to support this very biased show only promoting the left's ideology.

A public radio station that receives a portion of every citizens tax dollars, should also fairly represent the political views of every citizen, and not just be the very biased in favor of the left version of 'the Huffington Post' on the public airwaves.

(PBS is not as bad as NPR, but they are also very biased to the left ideologically in their programming content)



I agree with you regarding the bias of these stations and have mentioned many examples in discussions here. But Cutting and eliminating these programs do not win my vote. Change the director - bring in a new direction to achieve neutrality as NPR and PBS both serve a public good. And the elimination of the arts is abominable. It is the war on art that is slowly eroding the spirit and the national identity and vision for the future of Americans.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby SciameriKen on January 24th, 2017, 10:55 am 

Braininvat » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:49 pm wrote:That's not true. Our NPR station has mostly nonpolitical content, everything from various niches of music to car repair to film reviews to....just about anything. And the news segments often interview conservative thinkers. The PBS station, ditto, and spends a huge amount of time following very conservative SD state politics. The governor would not grant extensive interviews with our NPR affiliates if they were the extremists you accuse them of being.

Ron, I'm going to ask you to reign in your far Right paranoia, and not make any more MSM slanders unless you have strong documentation. There are various media watchdog groups that study the kind of bias you're talking about, and you are capable of researching and posting links to media research, rather than just make accusations. So, enough. Document, or have your post deleted.



Yes and no -- When NPR stays nonpolitical its great - when they discuss politics they have a slight left tilt. This was particularly frustrating during the primaries with Bernie and Hillary. NPR would infuriate me with their little jabs and little pushes for Hillary.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 11:00 am 

Biv, even one of their own actually admitted to them having a liberal bias: https://www.mrc.org/bozells-column/npr- ... beral-bias
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby toucana on January 24th, 2017, 11:04 am 

A Harris telephone survey conducted in 2005 found that NPR was the most trusted news source in the United States.

and
In 2002 and 2003, surveys and follow-up focus groups conducted by the Tarrance Group and Lake Snell Perry & Associates have indicated that, "The majority of the U.S. adult population does not believe that the news and information programming on public broadcasting is biased. The plurality of Americans indicate that there is no apparent bias one way or the other, while approximately two-in-ten detect a liberal bias and approximately one-in-ten detect a conservative bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 11:16 am 

That's a logical fallacy you are promoting there Toucana: Or, if millions of people believe something is true, then it "must" be true.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby vivian maxine on January 24th, 2017, 11:21 am 

Maybe Biv and I get a different NPR. Ours never seems terribly biased in either direction. We often hear two interviewees being allowed to express two different viewpoints when interpreting political news. But, actually, we don't get much of that anyway. We get pretty much what Biv says they get on their NPR.

I would ask "what is bias"? Isn't bias just a statement that disagrees with what the listener believes to be fact?
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby SciameriKen on January 24th, 2017, 11:28 am 

vivian maxine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:21 pm wrote:Maybe Biv and I get a different NPR. Ours never seems terribly biased in either direction. We often hear two interviewees being allowed to express two different viewpoints when interpreting political news. But, actually, we don't get much of that anyway. We get pretty much what Biv says they get on their NPR.

I would ask "what is bias"? Isn't bias just a statement that disagrees with what the listener believes to be fact?


No Bias is the willful attempt to persuade a listener to take on a certain viewpoint. The example I brought up before was when I was driving on election day during the primaries. NPR during its news update interviewed a "random" voter, a young 20-something female - who said a short blurb, - something to the effect of, "I am voting for Hillary as Sander's socialist ideas concern me". There was no interview of a Sander's supporter and no clarification of Bernie's social democracy versus socialism. To me, this quite clearly indicates NPR wanted to convince you the listener that Hillary was the better candidate simply by the content they choose to air.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 11:28 am 

Vivian, I really like the definition at the top;

(Sorry Vivian, it won't let me cut and paste this for some reason. Google define bias, and then read the definition at the top)
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby toucana on January 24th, 2017, 12:14 pm 

Rojanec wrote
That's a logical fallacy you are promoting there Toucana: Or, if millions of people believe something is true, then it "must" be true.


Nope. No fallacy formal or informal there. I'm not 'promoting' anything either. I'm simply passing on a factual observation based upon a questionnaire type survey of record which indicates that a plurality of those surveyed didn't think that NPR was unduly biased one way or the other - which incidentally seems to be the considered view of a number of other posters here who have better access to NPR output than I do.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby vivian maxine on January 24th, 2017, 12:21 pm 

ronjanec » January 24th, 2017, 10:28 am wrote:Vivian, I really like the definition at the top;

(Sorry Vivian, it won't let me cut and paste this for some reason. Google define bias, and then read the definition at the top)



Do you mean this one: prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
"there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants"
synonyms: prejudice, partiality, partisanship, favoritism, unfairness, one-sidedness;

Yes, add in the unfair. That makes it real bias. I was thinking we are all biased in our own opinions but it is true that we are not always unfair about it.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 12:28 pm 

Yup. It's still a logical fallacy Toucana...no matter how hard you try to spin it. :)
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 12:31 pm 

Yes, that's the one Vivian(I still wonder why I could not cut and paste this?)
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby toucana on January 24th, 2017, 12:39 pm 

Rojanec

I don't think you understand what either a fact or a fallacy really is.

You certainly haven't succeeded in explaining the so-say fallacy to me; nor have you explained why your counterfactual views about NPR represent the truth of the matter when so many other sources indicate otherwise. So I'll simply assume it's just another helping of 'alternative facts' on your part, and ignore your comments.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby vivian maxine on January 24th, 2017, 12:46 pm 

ronjanec » January 24th, 2017, 11:31 am wrote:Yes, that's the one Vivian(I still wonder why I could not cut and paste this?)


It's a Google thing. I can copy/paste things for days and then have it refuse to copy one thing at all. Simple things like copying a paragraph from a letter I sent one person and want to send someone else. Makes no sense at all.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby SciameriKen on January 24th, 2017, 1:02 pm 

toucana » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:39 pm wrote:Rojanec

I don't think you understand what either a fact or a fallacy really is.

You certainly haven't succeeded in explaining the so-say fallacy to me; nor have you explained why your counterfactual views about NPR represent the truth of the matter when so many other sources indicate otherwise. So I'll simply assume it's just another helping of 'alternative facts' on your part, and ignore your comments.


I think the issue is that NPR is generally unbiased. I was a bit hard on NPR - a majority of their segments they will give equal time to both sides of the issue. Those interviewed on both sides are usually highly qualified on the subject. Toucana is correct in saying a majority of watchdog organizations rate NPR as neutral. Thus, to say NPR is biased is difficult stance against the evidence and opinions of experts. The problem is NPR slips up - they will have an occasional biased segment which goes unnoticed by most - but to some one example is all it takes to poison the well.

Regarding the logical fallacy - I guess what Toucana is doing would be considered an "appeal to authority". The logic being if everyone says jumping off a bridge is good for your health then jumping must be good right? I feel this logical fallacy is a bit overused to the point of ignoring any input from experts - at some point to move forward we have to put our trust in others!
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby Serpent on January 24th, 2017, 1:11 pm 

If one looks at a different page of the thesaurus, bias falls into the company of preference, partiality, inclination, leaning - which is to say: a choice or point of view.
The person who disagrees with me is, by definition, perjudiced on that subject, while I am, by law, fairandbalanced.

The group that who does not share my opinion of the new emperor's sartorial splendour deserves to be, for the moment, merely silenced. (Later, they'll pay big.)
I knew I'd have to give up Masterliece Theater pretty soon, so that's okay. What I think is a real tragedy is shutting down the only public venue that deals with Black people's issues.
FUX isn't going to pick that up.
A people who have always been develued, put-upon and swept aside in America are losing even their small voice. Think they'll be content to be silent? Think they might look for a bullhorn? Interesting developments.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 1:12 pm 

Duplicate post.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 1:12 pm 

toucana » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:39 am wrote:Rojanec

I don't think you understand what either a fact or a fallacy really is.

You certainly haven't succeeded in explaining the so-say fallacy to me; nor have you explained why your counterfactual views about NPR represent the truth of the matter when so many other sources indicate otherwise. So I'll simply assume it's just another helping of 'alternative facts' on your part, and ignore your comments.


I already completely explained this in my original post to you Toucana: Or basically again, a great multitude or people just believing or having a personal opinion in a survey that something is true does not make this true(logical fallacy), in the same way that a great multitude of people just believing or having a personal opinion that God really exists in a survey does not also make this true either(another logical fallacy)

And, I also posted a link showing one of NPR's own actually admitting to this same type of bias(versus just belief or opinion in a survey), to back up my statements about this like Biv requested.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 1:48 pm 

"An appeal to authority!?" The majority of the US adult population is now considered an "authority" on determining what constitutes bias in the media SK!? When did this "happen"!?

The vast majority of the US adult population will believe almost any of the bullshit that the media feeds to them, from the left if this is your only news source, or from the right if this is your only news source. :)
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby SciameriKen on January 24th, 2017, 1:52 pm 

ronjanec » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:00 pm wrote:Biv, even one of their own actually admitted to them having a liberal bias: https://www.mrc.org/bozells-column/npr- ... beral-bias



Ron you realize this is a right wing propaganda piece? Basically this article found a chink in the armor of NPR and is trying to exploit it. Their take that Jeffrey Dvorkin's statement reflects a large liberal conspiracy of NPR is fairly unfounded, and certainly another plausible interpretation is Dvorkin's statement reflects that NPR is attempting to self correct to become more neutral in light of the identification of a single situation where one of their correspondents had clear bias.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby SciameriKen on January 24th, 2017, 1:54 pm 

ronjanec » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:48 pm wrote:"An appeal to authority!?" The majority of the US adult population is now considered an "authority" on determining what constitutes bias in the media SK!? When did this "happen"!?

The vast majority of the US adult population will believe almost any of the bullshit that the media feeds to them, from the left if this is your only news source, or from the right if this is your only news source. :)


The appeal was not just to polls of the general population, but also to media watchdog agencies.
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby Serpent on January 24th, 2017, 1:56 pm 

SciameriKen » January 24th, 2017, 12:02 pm wrote:.... a majority of watchdog organizations rate NPR as neutral.

Watchdogs are biased in favour of the sheep and against the wolves.
They will be shut down.
Only commercial outlets, preferably owned by a single holding company and catering to the same corporate sponsors, can possibly represent a balanced POV.
And who needs to know anything about American history, anyway?
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 1:59 pm 

But he did actually say this SK right?(even if this has now become a right wing propaganda piece like you just mentioned)
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby Forest_Dump on January 24th, 2017, 2:10 pm 

Back in the 1990s I spent a lot of time driving through the US from Maine to North Dakota, down to Kansas and Oklahoma and back across to Florida (collecting rock samples, by the way). Away from the cities, almost the only radio stations I could get played country music or Christian mullahs. Thank god I had lots of music tapes but every once in a while I needed to hear another rational human voice and especially something thought provoking. Even Howard Stern (then a novelty) was better than most of what was on the radio and NPR was definitely better than all the same old on everything else. Even the broadcasts on cars (very boring to me) was better. The US absolutely needs greater diversity of opinions and ideas, exposure to science, etc., more and more and I think it is incredibly sad how little the US gets outside the cities.

Ronjanec you keep exhorting people to give your alt-right media a listen to in order to expand their minds. Do you d the same? Do you give some thought to alternate opinions and ideas that might have a different bias than you have? Do you encourage your kids to think through more than one side of a political argument? How?
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Re: Trump Set To Cut NEA, PBS & NPR Funding

Postby ronjanec on January 24th, 2017, 2:15 pm 

I honestly do not see how any legitmate media watch dog group could not see the bias here unless they are blind SK.

And to offer some absolutely conclusive and please just shut up now and forever everyone proof, NPR was our former SPCF forum members Mtbturtle's favorite everyday media source(she said so one time on the forum).

And if that doesn't finally convince you that they are really and actually biased to the left, then you are sadly a hopeless case. :)
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