Forest_Dump » January 28th, 2017, 10:45 am wrote:I wonder how much our conversations would be different if similar measures had been taken in the past such as banning immigrants from previously hostile countries such as Germany around WW1, Italy when it was fascist, Soviet block countries, etc. I exclude Japan because they were all rounded up uring WW2 to prevent terrorism but imagine the world if citizens from Italy and Germany were treated the same.
Forest_Dump » January 28th, 2017, 11:17 am wrote:Actually there was a camp very near here for detaining unemployed immigrants during the 1930s.
vivian maxine » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:14 pm wrote:
OK But media out of Hollywood? That one shouldn't fit.
No matter. Thanks.
You want me to post links for this, or to a story that I have been following personally for the last two years? How many do you want? I have an absolute ton of them. After I post them, will they just be met with silence as has happened to me in the past after I was stuck doing all the work?
1. Creation. Trump reveals that many evangelicals have come to embrace a new doctrine of creation, according to which the state accords basic rights instead of recognizing their dignity as fellow image-bearers of God. Hence, the support of the torture of human beings (and perhaps their relatives) as legitimate state policy; this is entirely justified to some by the circumstances of an unlimited war on terror. Never mind the Christian just-war tradition that has undergirded centuries of Western reflection. And given the apparent failure of even his most recent ambiguous statements about the KKK to diminish support among his base, Trump reveals that America’s unfinished task of wrestling honestly with racism is just as clearly mirrored in some parts of evangelicalism.
2. Sin. Trump reveals that many evangelicals have come to embrace a different idea of sin than evangelicals have in the past. First, sin is now seen less a condition that renders us all “miserable offenders” before a holy God than mistakes good people make that fail to contribute to “our best life now.” Card-carrying evangelicals should have gotten it when Trump announced that he has never asked God for forgiveness because he doesn’t really do anything that would require it. This is problematic from a Christian perspective on several levels.
3. Christ. Jesus has become a brand and cultural-political mascot. The term “evangelical” used to mean that the global community of those “from every tribe, tongue, and nation” (Rev. 5:9) were united by “one Lord, one faith, one baptism” (Eph. 4:5) through faith in Christ alone as the all-sufficient Savior from the condemnation and death that our sins deserve. Our ultimate demographic is “in Christ.” This trumps (no pun intended) our identity as Americans, or as Democrats and Republicans. But Trump reminds us that many who call themselves evangelicals today find their ultimate loyalty in preserving or regaining a lost socio-political and cultural, perhaps even racial, hegemony in an increasingly diverse society.
4. Leadership. Trump reveals that “godly leadership” is apparently for some evangelicals the celebration of narcissism, greed, and deceitfulness in the pursuit of power. They like Trump’s “strong leadership” and ability to “get things done.” They seem to value pragmatism over anything else.
BioWizard wrote:Why would anyone still think that statistical speak matters to most people, or that it could sway their political positions in any way?
.... In the various places I have lived, some of groups who have faced discrimination in the past have included the Irish, Scots, United Empire Loyalists, Ukranians, Swedes, Finns, Poles, Jamaicans, Germans, South Asians, Chinese, Japanese, Italians, etc. All have been accused of bringing in alien and disruptive values,
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