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Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby toucana on March 4th, 2017, 8:24 pm 

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President Donald Trump has accused his predecessor Barack Obama of of tapping his phone during the 2016 US presidential election

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39168149

In a radical breach of protocol, Trump fired off a series of characteristically illiterate Tweets in which he misspelled the word ‘tap’ as ‘tapp’ multiple times, and referred to his predecessor as ‘bad’ and sick’.

Without offering any proof or evidence, Trump announced that this was ” A NEW LOW, “Nixon/Watergate”, and thundered “this is McCarthyism”

But two former senior US officials quickly dismissed Trump's accusations out of hand.
"Just nonsense," said one former senior US intelligence official.

Another former senior US official with direct knowledge of investigations by the Justice Department under the Obama administration told CNN that Trump's phones were never tapped.

A spokesman for Obama, Kevin Lewis, called "any suggestion" that Obama or any White House official ordered surveillance against Trump "simply false."

"A cardinal rule of the Obama administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice," Lewis said in a statement early Saturday afternoon. "As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any US citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."

Warrants to tap into someone's phones in the course of a federal investigation would be sought by the Department of Justice, which conducts investigations independent of the White House and the president.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA), an independent and secretive federal court, is responsible for issuing surveillance warrants in cases concerning foreign intelligence. The FBI has been investigating contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Russians known to US intelligence, and that court would likely be the forum to petition for such a warrant.

The former senior US official with direct knowledge of the Justice Department's investigations said Obama could not have ordered such a warrant. It would have been taken to a judge by investigators, but investigators never sought a warrant to monitor Trump's phones, the former official said.

A federal judge would only have approved a warrant to wiretap Trump's phones if he or she had found probable cause that Trump had committed a federal crime or was a foreign agent.

Former Obama deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes echoed the point in a tweet responding to Trump on Saturday morning.

"No President can order a wiretap. Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you,"


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/04/politics/trump-obama-wiretap-tweet/index.html
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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby toucana on March 5th, 2017, 8:35 pm 

President Trump doubled down yesterday on his claims that former president Obama had tapped his phone and has demanded that a Congressional enquiry into Russian attempts to meddle with the 2016 US election should address this issue as well.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/05/politics/white-house-spicer-congress-2016/index.html

Trump once again failed to offer any evidence to back up his claims which have been met with disbelief and scepticism from across the entire political spectrum. Even Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) who serves on the Select Intelligence Committee told CNN "I do not know what Trump is talking about".

As far as anyone can tell, Trump is responding to an item by conservative radio show host Mark Levin which he saw on the Breitbart website late on Friday. Trump had earlier stormed off alone on a helicopter flight to his Florida home Mar-a-Lago leaving senior aides Reince Priebus and Steve Bannon behind after a furious and expletive ridden row in the White House - a row that was actually caught at a distance on a CNN camera
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/05/heated-oval-office-meeting-bannon-trump-nobles-newday.cnn

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper flatly denied earlier today on TV that any FISA warrant had been sought or any taps placed on Trump's phones.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/05/politics/clapper-trump-wiretap/index.html

A short while ago the New York Times ran a headline story that James Comey the FBI head has asked the Justice Department to publicly reject Trump's explosive allegations because it "is false and must be corrected"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-james-comey-trump-wiretapping_us_58bc8548e4b0d2821b4edb91?section=us_politics
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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby zetreque on March 5th, 2017, 8:41 pm 

That's what eating too much fast food will do to a person. Turn them into an internet AI bot.
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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby toucana on March 5th, 2017, 9:03 pm 

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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby Braininvat on March 6th, 2017, 10:01 am 

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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby toucana on March 7th, 2017, 11:01 am 

"A 70 year old man who watches 6 hours of television a day, plays golf all the time and is always in Florida is not a President, he's a Retiree" - (anon)
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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby Forest_Dump on March 7th, 2017, 11:38 am 

toucana wrote:"A 70 year old man who watches 6 hours of television a day, plays golf all the time and is always in Florida is not a President, he's a Retiree" - (anon)


Truth be told, I see this as being closer to a good thing. He manages to screw things up on a regular basis as it is. Imagine the mess if he devoted himself to it full time.
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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby teacherman on March 13th, 2017, 10:28 pm 

More bizarre every day.....


Kellyanne Conway Suggested Microwaves Can Spy On People & Twitter Couldn't Take It
Andrea Gonzalez-Ramirez
March 13, 2017, 11:10 AM
Photo: AP/REX/Shutterstock.
President Trump has yet to provide any evidence to support his claims that Trump Tower was bugged by the Obama administration during the election, but Kellyanne Conway has introduced a new possible suspect in the spying game: Microwaves.
In an interview with The Record columnist Mike Kelly at her home in Alpine, NJ, Conway doubled down on the notion that President Obama might have wiretapped Trump's headquarters, without offering any proof.
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“What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other now, unfortunately,” she said. “There was an article this week that talked about how you can surveil someone through their phones, certainly through their television sets — any number of different ways. And microwaves that turn into cameras, etcetera. We know that's just a fact of modern life."
"And microwaves that turn into cameras, etcetera. We know that's just a fact of modern life."
Sorry, what? This is certainly the first time we've heard about microwaves being used for surveillance. Is that even possible? Well, according to Conway, who famously coined the term "alternative facts," sure it is.
Her comments caused a storm online, and during her appearances on multiple morning shows today she was questioned about the wiretapping claims. She kind of dialed back her statement on the microwaves during an interview this morning with CNN's Chris Cuomo.
"Chris, I’m not Inspector Gadget. I don’t believe people are using the microwave to spy on the Trump campaign," she said. "However, I'm not on the job of having evidence. That's what investigations are for."
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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby wolfhnd on March 14th, 2017, 1:49 am 

Obama spied on everyone and I'm sure Trump will too. Snowden pretty well established the extent to which surveillance has gotten out of hand. Instead of nick picking Trumps idiotic tweets we should be demanding that the entire system of surveillance be investigated. If you trade freedom for security you will have neither.

To demonstrate how power corrupts just look at Obama's record.

Obama’s Justice Department secretly subpoenaed AP reporters’ private phone records

Fox News reporter James Rosen and his parents’ phone records were seized

Secret Service agents accessed a restricted file to embarrass a congressman investigating them

U.S. government was monitoring Angela Merkel's mobile phone and 35 other heads of other governments.

NSA spied on Israeli PM Netanyahu and members of Congress

The Internal Revenue Service had to apologized for targeting groups with “tea party” or “patriot” in their names.


This is just what we know about or the tip of the iceberg.

As to this specific case what is clear is that Obama changed the rules of intelligence sharing just days before he left office and that this decision resulted in criminal leaking of classified documents. I think the fact that we have a "tweeter-in-chief is the least of our problems and that the mainstream media has made an unholy alliance with a criminal deep-state.
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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby teacherman on March 14th, 2017, 8:20 am 

If this is true (and I have my doubts about everything nowadays) then I think it can all be traced back to the Bush administration's (and subsequently Obama's) focus on keeping America safe after 9/11.

And we have been, relatively speaking.

No A bombs going off in our cities, no planes crashing into buildings, no chemical or biological weapons deployed. It's a choice we all made after the Twin Towers. The question is, would you rather be terrorist safe or privacy safe? Not a nice choice, but one we are forced to make. We just can't have it both ways......

Just my opinion,
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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby Braininvat on March 14th, 2017, 10:21 am 

Wolfhound,

you assert Obama's involvement in various incidents of spying and overreach here....

To demonstrate how power corrupts just look at Obama's record.

Obama’s Justice Department secretly subpoenaed AP reporters’ private phone records

Fox News reporter James Rosen and his parents’ phone records were seized

Secret Service agents accessed a restricted file to embarrass a congressman investigating them

U.S. government was monitoring Angela Merkel's mobile phone and 35 other heads of other governments.

NSA spied on Israeli PM Netanyahu and members of Congress

The Internal Revenue Service had to apologized for targeting groups with “tea party” or “patriot” in their names.


This is just what we know about or the tip of the iceberg.



I assume you have citations that offer evidence that Obama was personally involved in these actions. It's important to back up statements like "Obama spied on everyone," by demonstrating that he was aware of, and directed, incidents of spying. Basically, the same standard that would be expected in determining malfeasance and overreach on Trump's part. Please honor our forum guidelines and provide the evidence. Thanks.
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Re: Trump Accuses Obama Of Tapping His Phone

Postby toucana on March 17th, 2017, 6:53 am 

GCHQ the secretive British equivalent of the American NSA have taken the unusual and almost unprecedented step of denying new claims that they were involved in tapping President Trump's communications.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gchq-wire-tap-donald-trump-barack-obama-sean-spicer-a7634366.html

The claims were originally aired on Tuesday on Fox News TV by resident commentator 'Judge' Andrew Napolitano who claimed that three US intel sources had told him that President Obama used the British intelligence service GCHQ to intercept Trump's communications in order to avoid leaving US intelligence fingerprints on the operation.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/16/andrew-napolitano-did-obama-spy-on-trump.html

The claims were uncritically repeated by Sean Spicer at a White House press briefing on Thursday evening in spite of the fact that the heads of the US Senate Intelligence committee had just reported that there was no evidence to support claims that the previous administration had been involved in such wiretapping.

GCHQ which almost never comments on any press reporting about its operations made this forthright reply:
"Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wire tapping' against the then-President elect are nonsense.
"They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored."
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