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Sessions in Secret Talks With Russians - Claim

Postby toucana on July 21st, 2017, 9:18 pm 

The Washington Post has published a new story that exposes intelligence reports of secret negotiations between Jeff Sessions and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak that took place in April and July 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-discussed-trump-campaign-related-matters-with-russian-ambassador-us-intelligence-intercepts-show/2017/07/21/3e704692-6e44-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html?utm_term=.481d5a2533d3

The report is based on US intelligence surveillance of Kislyak’s personal mobile phone which is said to have been compromised. US intelligence agents were able to listen in as Kislyak updated his superiors in the Kremlin on the progress of his discussions with then Senator Jeff Sessions who was representing the foreign policy interests of the Trump campaign.

The meetings referred to appear to include one that can only be the much discussed second and secret Mayflower hotel meeting between team Trump and the Russians which allegedly took place on 27th April 2016 just after Donald Trump’s first major speech on foreign policy issues.

https://extranewsfeed.com/from-russia-with-oil-4d027411bcc5

Sessions has consistently denied having a separate private meeting with the Russians in April, and has also denied ever negotiating the Trump campaign’s likely foreign policy positions in secret with the Russians. He has always claimed that he only met the Russian diplomats at that time in his public capacity as a Senator.

The US intelligence sources cited by the Washington Post contradict Sessions’s account of these events in the most direct way possible.
One U.S. official said that Sessions — who testified that he has no recollection of an April encounter — has provided “misleading” statements that are “contradicted by other evidence.” A former official said that the intelligence indicates that Sessions and Kislyak had “substantive” discussions on matters including Trump’s positions on Russia-related issues and prospects for U.S.-Russia relations in a Trump administration.
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Re: Sessions in Secret Talks With Russians - Claim

Postby Watson on July 21st, 2017, 9:44 pm 

It only confirms what most of us were thinking when the grinning little gnome was saying he didn't remember if he met any Russians. It is still a lie, just harder to prove.
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Re: Sessions in Secret Talks With Russians - Claim

Postby someguy1 on July 21st, 2017, 10:48 pm 

Does it matter that this story, like every anti-Trump piece that comes out of WaPo, comes from anonymous sources? How can anyone defend themselves from anonymous leaks from people who are legally required not to leak?

Forget about whether you hate Trump or not. How do you feel about the process? A prosecutor's office leaks anonymous slime on you and your supporters, without the need to identify themselves on record or make those same charges in a court of law, where they are subject to the rules of evidence and may be cross-examined by the defense?

Anyone care about the slimy process involved in WaPo's reporting?

Does it matter that several of these unsourced allegations over the past few months have had to be retracted after they turned out to be false?

ps -- Let me just show the factual basis of my point. The first para of the article reads:

Jeff Bezos wrote:Russia’s ambassador to Washington told his superiors in Moscow that he discussed campaign-related matters, including policy issues important to Moscow, with Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, contrary to public assertions by the embattled attorney general, according to current and former U.S. officials.


That's it. "Current and former U.S. officials." Nobody is on record. None of this information is subject to vetting or held to any standard of accuracy. Someone with an agenda said something to WaPo, which definitely has an agenda.

Again, I'm not defending Trump. I'm only calling attention to the process. And tell me. When the Russian ambassador goes home to Moscow and gets debriefed by the KGB and God knows who else ... exactly how do these current and former U.S. officials find out about it?

How do we know it's not just disinformation from the Russians? Ever read a spy novel? If you read some John le Carré you will not a believe a word of a story like this. It's in the paper because it suits the agenda of a number of people. Nobody really knows who's playing whom. But it's certain someone's being played. Don't let it be you.
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Re: Sessions in Secret Talks With Russians - Claim

Postby Watson on July 22nd, 2017, 8:13 am 

True enough, and if it was all in the context of an isolated event, then yes, more information about this would be called for. But there are enough pieces of this puzzle in place on the table, and we can see the broader context.
This isolated event has a deeper implication, not because of any singular importance. It has a deeper implication because of how it fits into the big picture. And in the broader context of this, the question you may be asking is "How likely is this story to be true?" As an isolate event, it is questionable. In the broader context, it is much more likely to be true than not.
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