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French Philosopher Drowns While Rescuing Children

Postby toucana on July 24th, 2017, 9:23 am 

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A leading French philosopher who advocated risk-taking has drowned after attempting to save two children at a beach on the French Riviera.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40703606

Anne Dufourmantelle entered the water after the children got into difficulty in strong winds at Pampelonne beach, near St Tropez, on Friday. The two children were later rescued by lifeguards and were unharmed.

Witnesses said Dufourmantelle, 53, was bathing 50m (164 ft) from the two children when an orange warning flag at the beach was changed to red, indicating that bathing was prohibited due to dangerous conditions.

She immediately tried to reach them but was carried away in a strong current. Attempts to resuscitate her after she was recovered failed.

http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/provence-alpes-cote-d-azur/var/ramatuelle-philosophe-anne-dufourmantelle-se-noie-voulant-sauver-enfants-1301839.html

The French culture minister, Françoise Nyssen, said Dufourmantelle was a "great philosopher who helped us live".

Dufourmantelle wrote numerous essays on the importance of taking risks and the need to accept that exposure to any number of possible threats is a part of everyday life, including the book Praise of Risk, published in 2011.

"A great philosopher, a psychoanalyst, she helped us to live and think about the world today," Ms Nyssen wrote on Twitter.
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Re: French Philosopher Drowns While Rescuing Children

Postby Athena on July 24th, 2017, 10:35 am 

An interesting point of view that we should accept taking risks. Mountain climbers intentionally take risks. A motorcyclist may also enjoy the risk. But to take the risk for another is noble. And for all of us who lean towards avoiding risks perhaps we might rethink the value of taking risks?


Like Socrates who also died for what he valued, Anne Dufourmantelle, will out live her short life in the memory of others.
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Re: French Philosopher Drowns While Rescuing Children

Postby Watson on July 24th, 2017, 11:03 am 

I doubt the idea of taking a risk came into her thinking, in that moment. More likely a matter of, kids are in trouble and need help and I am here, so I must help. I expect it was more of an automatic response. Someone else may have stayed on the beach, not because they assess the risk differently, but because they had a stronger sense of fear or self doubt in their ability to help.
I think it was just who she was, that came out in action. Sad to think the kids were just as safe, had she watched from a safe spot on the beach.
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Re: French Philosopher Drowns While Rescuing Children

Postby toucana on July 24th, 2017, 3:48 pm 

Quand il y a réellement un danger auquel il faut faire face, il y a une incitation à l’action très forte, au dévouement, au surpassement de soi.

- When there is real danger to be faced, there is the strongest incentive to action, to devotion, and to surpassing oneself -

Anne Dufourmantelle - (article in Libération 2015)
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Re: French Philosopher Drowns While Rescuing Children

Postby uninfinite on July 24th, 2017, 5:09 pm 

If her actions that day were driven by her philosophical views, are her views invalidated by her death? Or not?
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Re: French Philosopher Drowns While Rescuing Children

Postby Braininvat on July 24th, 2017, 8:04 pm 

Wouldn't any philosophe acknowledge that risk includes the risk of death? I can't imagine that her view was that only tame risks are worth taking. Seems like her death was about as perfect and fitting as deaths ever get.
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Re: French Philosopher Drowns While Rescuing Children

Postby uninfinite on July 24th, 2017, 8:19 pm 

Point taken, but if only for the sake of argument - shouldn't any philosophy concerned with risk consider analysis and management of risk - rather than simply discourage discrimination and promote risk taking? Because, might it not further be argued that the benefits of risk are only truly appreciated by those who do correctly analyse and manage risk? Which evidently, she didn't. (It's interesting and perhaps germane to note that the people she acted to 'save' were ultimately fine.)
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