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wolfhnd » October 2nd, 2017, 6:33 pm wrote:Current gun restrictions are already in excess of what the constitution allows so I think congress has done enough. If you don't like the constitution call for constitutional convention, anything else is just loud hand wringing or lack of respect for the concept of legal process.
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Braininvat » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:40 am wrote:wolfhnd » October 2nd, 2017, 6:33 pm wrote:Current gun restrictions are already in excess of what the constitution allows so I think congress has done enough. If you don't like the constitution call for constitutional convention, anything else is just loud hand wringing or lack of respect for the concept of legal process.
I see no disrespect in pointing out that what a 1790 article "allows" is probably in need of revision and amending. Courts can also interpret the existing article in a way that reflects common sense about the world of 2017. We are not a small agrarian 18th century nation. We have professional military and law enforcement agencies, trained to use sophisticated military weaponry. We have densely-packed urban areas, where most of the populace lives. Congress has done nothing in the past few years beyond little statements that repeat the phrase "thoughts and prayers." Stop thinking and praying, start doing something.
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Braininvat » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:51 am wrote:
Also, another question for anyone - why does an ordinary citizen needs 47 weapons?
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zetreque » October 5th, 2017, 9:37 am wrote:Braininvat » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:51 am wrote:
Also, another question for anyone - why does an ordinary citizen needs 47 weapons?
Easy, to fight when our ridiculous govt institutes martial law. Short response because i'm sitting in an airline terminal.
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zetreque » October 4th, 2017, 6:37 pm wrote:Braininvat » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:51 am wrote:
Also, another question for anyone - why does an ordinary citizen needs 47 weapons?
Easy, to fight when our ridiculous govt institutes martial law. Short response because i'm sitting in an airline terminal.
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Braininvat » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:51 am wrote:zetreque » October 4th, 2017, 6:37 pm wrote:Braininvat » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:51 am wrote:
Also, another question for anyone - why does an ordinary citizen needs 47 weapons?
Easy, to fight when our ridiculous govt institutes martial law. Short response because i'm sitting in an airline terminal.
Short response is fine, but when you have time, I'm tryiing to understand how I'm going to fend off the government which has a professional army with tanks, APCs, artillery, bazookas, RPGs, armor-piercing automatic machine guns, mortars, grenades, gas, concussion grenades, etc. How will 47, or any number of guns, really help me against flak-jacketed soldiers with advanced weapons technology? And the man with 47 guns, in my example, didn't exactly use them for the sake of freedom from tyranny and fighting off a rogue army.
Even if we could fight a guerrilla war against a government here, should we ask if there are better methods than guns? Gandhi sent the British packing with nonviolent resistance.
Maybe another way to put this, that your scientific mind will relate to, is what are the data points showing us - what are the people with big gun stockpiles using them for?
Badger, in other countries where there are rich people, the stricter gun laws do correlate with far fewer gun murders, so it's clear that many would-be shooters are not rich and are prevented from acting on their "going postal" impulses. Rapid-fire guns make killing much easier. Harder to do a mass clubbing or a mass knifing.
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Badger, in other countries where there are rich people, the stricter gun laws do correlate with far fewer gun murders, so it's clear that many would-be shooters are not rich and are prevented from acting on their "going postal" impulses. Rapid-fire guns make killing much easier. Harder to do a mass clubbing or a mass knifing.
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BadgerJelly » October 5th, 2017, 8:47 am wrote:Biv -Badger, in other countries where there are rich people, the stricter gun laws do correlate with far fewer gun murders, so it's clear that many would-be shooters are not rich and are prevented from acting on their "going postal" impulses. Rapid-fire guns make killing much easier. Harder to do a mass clubbing or a mass knifing.
That has nothing to do with my point. Everyone seems obsessed with reducing this to a debate about gun ownership. I was more interested in why the hell a millionaire suddenly decided to give up his life and take others down with him.
What drives an apparently successful man to commit such a hideous act? The lack of motivation is the strange thing for me.
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- Z.I'm going to be stubborn on this for unsaid reasons. Let me ask another question. Should we outlaw gasoline because someone can create horrendous bombs with it? Do people just not like guns because they fear sick minded people will use them over gasoline just because of the "cool" factor?
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Braininvat » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:27 am wrote:
I am guessing that the rarity of gasoline bomb massacres is related to our presently mild regulation of gasoline distribution. As with many things, we try to respond to problems rationally, as they develop. If gasoline bomb massacres became common, it seems likely that there would be tighter controls -- no more self-serve pumps, car gas tanks that can only be opened or drained by certified techs with special tools, etc. People are often willing to sacrifice some conveniences for the sake of public safety.
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