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Base your business on biblical principles

Postby vincitytaymodaimo on October 5th, 2018, 9:09 am 

Nothing says more about today’s supercharged, highly polarized political and social media atmosphere than the current flap over Chick-fil-A, a company which has never hidden its conservative Christian worldview in the closet. Indeed, five years ago, journalist Emily Schmall wrote an excellent story for Forbes, “The Cult of Chick-fil-A’’, detailing how the company, founded by now 91-year-old Forbes 400 list member S. Truett Cathy (pictured at right), promoted his values. As she put it:

Chick-fil-A’s corporate mission, as stated on a plaque at company headquarters (and by Cathy), is to “glorify God.” It is the only national fast-food chain that closes on Sunday so operators can go to church and spend time with their families; franchisees who don’t go along with the rule risk having their contracts terminated. Company meetings and retreats include prayers, and the company encourages franchisees to market their restaurants through church groups….”You don’t have to be a Christian to work at Chick-fil-A, but we ask you to base your business on biblical principles because they work,”
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Re: Base your business on biblical principles

Postby toucana on October 5th, 2018, 12:08 pm 

Judges 1:4
And Judah went up; and the LORD delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand: and they slew of them in Bezek ten thousand men.

Judges 1:5
And they found Adonibezek in Bezek: and they fought against him, and they slew the Canaanites and the Perizzites.

Something like this you mean ?
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Re: Base your business on biblical principles

Postby toucana on October 5th, 2018, 12:17 pm 

Judges 3:29
And they slew of Moab at that time about ten thousand men, all lusty, and all men of valour; and there escaped not a man.

Judges 3:31
And after him was Shamgar the son of Anath, which slew of the Philistines six hundred men with an ox goad: and he also delivered Israel.

Judges 7:25
And they took two princes of the Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb; and they slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb, and Zeeb they slew at the winepress of Zeeb, and pursued Midian, and brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon on the other side Jordan.

Judges 8:17
And he beat down the tower of Penuel, and slew the men of the city.

Or this perhaps ?
Judges 8:21
Then Zebah and Zalmunna said, Rise thou, and fall upon us: for as the man is, so is his strength. And Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and took away the ornaments that were on their camels' necks.

Stealing the ornaments from a camel's neck seems a little extreme, but what do i know? There seems to be a solid biblical precedent here.
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Re: Base your business on biblical principles

Postby Braininvat on October 5th, 2018, 12:49 pm 

Hehe.

As long as the waiters don't stone me if I accidentally say "Jehovah."
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Re: Base your business on biblical principles

Postby wolfhnd on October 5th, 2018, 2:37 pm 

To be fair Christianity, although mostly a eschatological Jewish cult, it is also theoretically reformed (kinder gentler) Judaism. Why so many people focus on the old testament I can't say for sure but most likely it is more compatible with universal tribal instincts. The value expressed in the old testament are probably the values universally held by semi nomadic tribes. That makes it a good jumping of point for Islam and it's secularism the reason that "christianity" was so easily incorporated into Roman culture.

Of course Christianity itself has a political undertone because of the confluence of spirituality and secular messianic messages.

The interesting question is if Christianity as originally conceived is a religion at all or a drastically transform Jewish sect. Once you throw out the hereditary requirements for inclusion in the tribes of Israel much of the meaning of the old testament is lost. Tribes in general seem to be very racist as illustrated by how many who's translated names for their group literally mean the humans.

In the beginning Christianity as an eschatological movement probably had little interest in converting gentiles. The change to being a proselytizing faith may have coincided with a more urban and globalistic world view because of Greek and Roman influence.

How the people such as the founders of Chic-Fil-A deal with the whole issue of being gentiles has always fascinated me. The Mormon's took the easy way out and declared themselves one of the tribes of Israel (oddly enough so are native Americans by their system). The Protestants and Catholics take a more spiritual road in explaining how a Jewish cult is the foundation of their religions. Why along with a transformation to a more spiritual and less tribal orientation the Barbarism of the bronze age wasn't thrown out as well as tribalism probably has a lot to do with secularization and the theocratic demands of social integration.

It's all pretty obvious to a disinterested party. My caution against being overly critical is that as you break down one form of tribalism another seems to just take it's place. Christianity like Islam needs reform or replacement. Nobody seems to know which is the more practical attack.
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Re: Base your business on biblical principles

Postby toucana on October 5th, 2018, 5:06 pm 

From the OP:
”You don’t have to be a Christian to work at Chick-fil-A, but we ask you to base your business on biblical principles because they work.”

There is nothing intrinsically or exclusively Christian about the Bible. It isn’t even a single book, as the Greek name Bible indicates - (‘Bible’ comes from the Greek word βιβλια, a neuter plural form of the noun Βιβλιον meaning ‘a book’).The Bible is a rather idiosyncratically chosen mixture of many different types of writings from different periods and cultures, in a number of different languages. The Bible is basically a reading list of approved materials, one that wasn’t stabilised in its current form until well over 300 years after the events the NT purports to describe.

It is worth noting that the earliest Christian writers themselves insisted that the Christian doctrine is a fulfilment of all the teachings and prophecies found in the Old Testament, which is why it was included in their canon, and why Christians continue to attach importance to reading the OT to this day. (Though they tend to skip the more blood-thirsty bits in modern Sunday school teaching).

Much of the early history of the Christian church remains shrouded in mystery, but it is clear that there was significant tension between religious conservatives who felt Christianity was fundamentally a messianic tribal cult within an exclusively Judaic tradition, and more radical evangelists who felt its message belonged to the gentiles as well. That division however didn’t necessarily map cleanly between those studying scripture in Hebrew, and those studying scripture in Koine Greek. Some of the more conservative Christian writers such as the the apostle Matthew (or whoever actually wrote the gospel) seem to have known the Old Testament from the Greek Septuagint translation, rather than its original Hebrew.

It’s unsurprising that the Bible doesn’t really have a single theme or message. Nor is it surprising that The Bible routinely contradicts itself on quite simple factual points e.g. “Who was the father of Joseph?” or “What were the names of the twelve apostles ?”, and often leaves textual scholars with conundrums like ”In what order were the gospels written ?” or “Why has source Q not survived ?”

The point of my humorous response was to ask precisely *which* ‘biblical principles’ might you wish to invoke in running your business, and are you quite sure that ‘biblical principles’ are neccessarily Christian ones too ?
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Re: Base your business on biblical principles

Postby wolfhnd on October 5th, 2018, 5:53 pm 

It would probably be useful to just replace traditional values where ever Christian values is used. It is easy enough to just be firm about rejecting the appeal to authority fallacy. If they continue to insist on the bible as a unassailable authority you probably can't have a productive conversation anyway. Arguing against the authority of the bible creates an unnecessary step in at least some cases in getting to the issues that are important. I strictly avoid the homosexuality and abortion issues by shifting to separation of church and state. Most Christian will oblige you by switching to arguments that don't rely on appeal to authority.
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