A Tweet Too Far ?

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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby toucana on December 17th, 2018, 10:28 am 

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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby TheVat on October 11th, 2019, 1:01 pm 

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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby toucana on February 3rd, 2020, 6:14 am 

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Nice one Donald. But Kansas City was located in the state of Missouri the last time anyone looked.
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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby TheVat on February 3rd, 2020, 12:14 pm 

Kansas City was my mother's hometown, the first few years of early childhood. If she were still alive, she would be very amused. There is a much smaller city, in Kansas next door, also called Kansas City, but it's not what Americans refer to when they say KC, nor has it ever been home to the Chiefs. In that area, people refer to the smaller Kansas City as KCK. I don't know if this tweet will tip the 2020 electoral votes in Missouri away from Trump, but it's a good start!
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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby Hendrick Laursen on March 3rd, 2020, 1:35 am 

toucana » February 3rd, 2020, 12:14 am wrote:Image

Nice one Donald. But Kansas City was located in the state of Missouri the last time anyone looked.


It's a great post!
It's like reading an anti-story, in the sense of experimental literature. We're tempted to go back and doubt every single word this man has ever uttered.
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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby toucana on April 20th, 2020, 4:19 am 

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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby toucana on May 8th, 2020, 4:27 am 

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Axl Rose the lead singer of Guns 'N Roses who only rarely uses social media had an entertaining exchange with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

It was prompted in part by the gratuitous use of a Guns 'N Roses track 'Live & Let Die' during a Trump visit to a PPE mask factory, which was followed by an interview with Steven Mnuchin on FOX TV in which he uncritically urged listeners to start doing long road-trips around the USA again.

Stung by Axl Rose's description of him as an 'A**hole', Mnuchin retorted "What have you done for your country lately ?" and attached an emoji of what was meant to be the US flag. Unluckily Steven Mnuchin attached the emoji for the national flag of Liberia by mistake - (It looks very similar but has only one star instead of 50).
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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby toucana on August 10th, 2020, 7:50 pm 

Trump’s press conference has ended after a series of falsehoods and misleading claims. At one point he compared the Covid-19 crisis to the “the great pandemic” of 1917, saying it was a “terrible thing” that “probably ended the Second World War, all the soldiers were sick”.

The pandemic occurred in 1918, and World War II ended in 1945.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/aug/10/coronavirus-us-covid-19-children-schools-donald-trump-relief-package-joe-biden-live-updates
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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby charon on August 11th, 2020, 2:18 am 

I have not seen a single article anywhere that gives a definite answer as to whether he can be prosecuted after leaving office.

Has anyone?
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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby toucana on August 11th, 2020, 5:04 am 

Trump is already under criminal investigation by a Grand jury appointed under the authority of Cyrus R. Vance Jr. who is the DA of New York County and New York. The DA’s office have made it clear that they are in the process of indicting Trump on charges of bank fraud and income tax fraud.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/nyregion/donald-trump-taxes-cyrus-vance.html?referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR34hRvAYjHcFS8O4spRKyKfa5KsmTGWQ9AHaK67fAvlluq8T-CaBjue2NQ

The DA’s team has been battling to obtain Trump’s tax returns from an accountancy firm called Mazars USA for over a year, and they recently secured an important Supreme Court ruling that favours their subpoenas.

Points of interest here:
i. These are state charges, not federal ones, and as such they cannot be pardoned or dismissed by any president, successor, or corrupt incumbent of the AG’s office in the Justice department.

ii. Neither the president nor the AG can fire the Manhattan DA either. Given that the DA is an elected state official, Donald Trump would have to test out his often touted assertion that he could “shoot a man on 5th Ave. in broad daylight” by shooting the DA in person in order to stop this indictment

iii. Grand juries once appointed to look into financial crimes nearly always return indictments; and once they indict, the courts almost invariably proceed on to successful convictions and sentencing in cases of this kind. This is because financial crimes are usually very well documented. There will probably be an absolute mountain of completely damning evidence against the entire Trump organisation.

Remember - it was tax evasion charges that put Al Capone in prison for life, not the Valentines Day Massacre.
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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby charon on August 11th, 2020, 8:15 am 

Absolutely, Capone and tax, first thing that occurred! But are you saying they CAN indict a sitting president on these charges?
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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby toucana on August 11th, 2020, 8:57 am 

Absolutely, Capone and tax, first thing that occurred! But are you saying they CAN indict a sitting president on these charges?

That remains moot. Recent SCOTUS rulings seem to favour a view that no one, not even a president, is above the law. Arguments to the contrary normally cite an internal Justice department memorandum by the OLC (Office of Legal Counsel) that says prosecuting a sitting president would be inconsistent with Article II of the constitution.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/yes-constitution-allows-indictment-president

The excellent Lawfare article cited above was written by Laurence H. Tribe who is a Harvard legal scholar and constitutional ethics adviser who has often appeared on MSNBC. He summarises the arguments for and against the OLC memorandum and concludes (inter alia):
Nothing in the Constitution supports treating amenability to the criminal process as something that kicks in only after a civil officer has been impeached and removed. To treat a sitting president as immune to that process until his presidency ends is to superimpose upon the impeachment framework—a framework designed as the way to remove a president who commits an impeachable offense that might or might not also be a federal crime—something quite extraordinary in a system priding itself on the axiom that no one is above the law.

A more practical consideration is that there are only 84 days remaining until the 2020 US presidential election in November. Trump and his legal team can probably run the clock down, and block any criminal indictments before then with tendentious appeals to appellate courts over the discovery subpoenas.

But once the election falls due, all arguments over the OLC guidance are void, and there will be nothing to protect Trump from indictment and prosecution thereafter on state charges if he fails to win or subvert the election.
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Re: A Tweet Too Far ?

Postby charon on August 11th, 2020, 12:24 pm 

But once the election falls due, all arguments over the OLC guidance are void, and there will be nothing to protect Trump from indictment and prosecution thereafter on state charges if he fails to win or subvert the election.


Or subvert... I liked that :-)

Thanks. Next question: will they actually lock up an-ex president?
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