“Presidents Are Not Kings”

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“Presidents Are Not Kings”

Postby toucana on November 26th, 2019, 8:37 am 

A district judge in Washington DC has handed down a ruling that says that former White House Counsel Don McGahn must answer a Congresssional subpoena and appear before house investigators to answer questions.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/donald-trump-constitution-supreme-court-executive-power/index.html

Judge Ketanji Bown Jackson gave short shrift to arguments to the contrary advanced by the DOJ, and said that they had the law ‘exactly backwards’.

In an unusually blunt and outspoken written notice of judgement, she said “Presidents are not kings” and added this paragraph.
“What is missing from the Constitution’s framework as the Framers envisioned it is the Pesident’s purported power to kneecap House investigations of the Executive branch operations by demanding that his senior-level aides breach their legal duty to respond to compelled congressional process.”

As Rachel Maddow observed on her MSNBC slot, “I have never seen the word ‘kneecap’ used as a verb in a federal judgement before”



The White House says it intends to appeal the ruling.
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Re: “Presidents Are Not Kings”

Postby Serpent on November 26th, 2019, 10:43 am 

No, but you have to admit it's the mot plus juste.
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Re: “Presidents Are Not Kings”

Postby TheVat on November 26th, 2019, 12:30 pm 

None of the fact finding done by all these investigations seems to be much moving the needle of public opinion on removal of the "president." One theory is that Independent voters tend to be less politically aware and more information-poor and tend to keep leaning whichever way they already are canted. So, where there is the most potential to "swing" there is in fact the least interest in mastering the complexities of impeachment law.

Still, it's good news for the lawful process of congressional oversight.

I also liked this, from Judge Jackson...

"Absolute testimonial immunity for senior-level White House aides appears to be a fiction that has been fastidiously maintained over time through the force of sheer repetition."


As a few psych/social science threads here have discussed, one common method of propaganda is to simply repeat a falsehood many times. There is a psychological effect where hearing something enough times will cause an unwary hearer to come to believe it's true.
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