Parler Vous Nazi ?

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Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby toucana on January 10th, 2021, 12:51 pm 

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The online right-wing messaging service Parler will be taken out of service and will no longer be available as of this weekend after Amazon announced it was pulling the product’s server support from AWS (Amazon Web Services) that was hosting it.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc

The email from AWS to Parler cites several examples of violent and threatening posts made in recent days, including threats to "systematically assassinate liberal leaders, liberal activists, BLM leaders and supporters," and others. "Given the unfortunate events that transpired this past week in Washington, D.C., there is serious risk that this type of content will further incite violence," the message adds.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/amazon-cuts-off-parlers-web-hosting-following-apple-google-bans/

Both Apple and Google had already pulled the Parler mobile app from their online App stores after the company ignored deadlines to begin moderating content that was inciting further political violence in breach of their TOS.

People who already possessed the app could still access the service, and those who didn’t could still reach Parler via its website landing page. But once Amazon withdraws AWS hosting support on Sunday, none of the users will be able reach Parler anymore.

In a post on Saturday evening Parler CEO John Matze said it is possible the social network will be “unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch.”

In reality it’s likely to be somewhat longer than that. Only a small number of hosting services can handle a website of this size, and a good many of them will be reluctant to handle one with such a toxic reputation - Trump himself has now been kicked off Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Twitch and even Pinterest in the wake of the Capitol riot on 6 January.

Parler launched in 2018 as a "free speech" alternative to Twitter and Facebook. As of November 2020 it claimed to have around 4 million active users, and 10 million total users.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parler
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Re: Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby TheVat on January 10th, 2021, 2:25 pm 

The only upside I can see to leaving such a platform up somewhere is that it helps law enforcement and hate group trackers (like the Southern Poverty Law Center) (or archivists like Bellingcat) to keep an eye on some of the worst whackos and give us some window into what sorts of loose bearings are rolling around inside their heads. To borrow Lomax's analogy in another thread, this shutting-down approach just leads to an interminable game of Whack-a-mole, as the whackos keep popping up in new platforms or even different media. OTOH, the numbers may drop, as the less-committed and the idle blowhards who were only up for idle venting wander off.

I also believe ennui can be a powerful force: a lot of nationalists are pretty one-note.
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Re: Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby toucana on January 11th, 2021, 12:16 pm 

Daily Kos is carrying a community sourced story that hacktivists broke into Parler and began siphoning large quantities of its contents a few hours before AWS pulled the plug on Parler’s web-hosting on Sunday evening.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/11/2008140/-Parler-is-being-downloaded-This-is-huge

They were able to do this because Twilio a third-party service pulled its support several hours before Amazon pulled theirs.

Twilio helps keep track of a website’s users and passwords. It makes it so you can build your website faster rather than worry about boilerplate stuff like logging in and password recovery, etc. Well, since Twilio announced they were severing ties, hackers were able to create administrator accounts which gave them full privileges inside Parler. This means all the videos, posts, and other media people uploaded are available and currently being downloaded...including driver’s license photos. (On Parler you can upload your driver’s license to prove you’re a citizen so you know you’re talking to real people and not random bots.)

There is a security principle called “fail-open vs fail-closed”. When Twilio said “Hey, we’re not supporting your authentication anymore Parler because you aid and abet terrorism” that means that when you try to go to Parler and log in, there is nothing checking your password to see if you’re you. When you try to log in, and Twilio isn’t available for whatever reason, you would get an error saying “Hey, uh, I dunno what happened but Twilio isn’t responding. Get out.”

Parler didn’t.

So that leaves the door WIDE OPEN. It was easy to create an administrator password, if not thousands of them to cover your tracks, and then you get access to the whole store.


There are suspicions that Parler didn’t encrypt their PIFI data or their image data with respect to licenses, or store it in a secure image bucket - Potentially one horrific security architetcure failure after another - But as the author notes, a veritable goldmine for law enforcement, and anyone else monitoring right-wing extremists.
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Re: Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby edy420 on January 16th, 2021, 4:02 pm 

Joe Rogan commented on the authoritarian approach to control speech by systematically taking down parlor. He asked, what percentage of parlor was toxic.

I downloaded parlor. Just seemed like another twitter. I used it about 5 times over the last month, and didn't see anything toxic.

Compared to twitter, parlor is dwarfed in volume of toxicity when compared. Much of which is not being taken down. For example, the Chinese government has a doctored picture of an Australian soldier smiling and slitting a child's throat. Australian prime minister demanded it be taken down months ago.. Its still pinned at the top.

If there was any evidence of terrorist activity on parlor, its being erased. They should have kept it for the FBI to investigate. Big tech have joined together to form an oligargarchy, to control speech.

Although I didn't want to use parlor, I think it's a bad idea to celebrate its removal.
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Re: Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby toucana on January 16th, 2021, 8:44 pm 

The platform is called Parler (from the French Parler - 'to speak') not 'Parlor'.

It may seem pedantic to point this out, but you made the same error five times in a single post, and unfortunately it's rather indicative of just how little attention you pay to researching any topic you choose to write about.

You neither explain who Joe Rogan is, nor why you feel anything he had to say was relevant to this discussion, and as usual you didn't bother to supply any citations either.

I assume that you are referring to this guy

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/joe-rogan-worries-parler-shutdown-explains-sets-dangerous-precedent

He is variously described elsewhere as a comedian, a martial arts sports commentator, and a Libertarian. He is also said to be an outspoken advocate of the use of Cannabis, LSD, psilocybin mushrooms and DMT.

I will make the charitable assumption that he was under the influence of all of these when he offered his considered opinion of Parler.
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Re: Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby TheVat on January 16th, 2021, 9:11 pm 

It's worth noting that there are roughly 330,000 web hosting services in the world. If Amazon declines to serve you, then you haven't really been crushed by a tech oligarchy. And, also pertinent, these are private companies which have a right to refuse service... and certainly are reasonable to do so if, as Parler did, a client allows members to plot a conspiracy to attack and overthrow a seat of government with detailed planning messages on weaponry, tactics, and which legislators to kidnap. As well as mortal threats against the VP and legislators. Would you, if you ran a web hosting service, wish to be held legally liable for abduction and sedition? I'm going to speculate you might not. Parler went well beyond airing prickly commentary and extreme partisan opinions.

Free speech laws have never extended to the fomenting of violent sedition, or homicide, or crimes against persons generally. And no sane company would agree to provide a service that enhances such crimes. Would the media platforms Rogan has worked for allow such content even it was "only a few percent" of their programming?
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Re: Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby toucana on January 19th, 2021, 5:40 am 

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Parler has reappeared as of late Sunday afternoon in the form of a single static web page after having been re-registered under a domain registrar called Epik which also handles the registration of other toxic sites like the white supremacist chat service Gab, and the neo-Nazi message board Daily Stormer.

https://gizmodo.com/parlers-back-from-the-dead-with-a-domain-registered-to-1846078655

The question of who precisely has taken over the task of supplying web hosting services to Parler after Amazon kicked them off AWS is answered by the screen shot above.

https://twitter.com/dtemkin/status/1351240721261584385

DDOSGuard is based entirely in Russia, so Parler, like Wikileaks (which handed over its SSL keys to a Russian host some years ago), is now a fully paid-up member of the Russian intelligence service and will be promoting Russian dezinformatsiya - as usual.

https://patribotics.blog/2017/03/14/wikileaks-hands-keys-to-putins-russian-hacker-readers-leakers-tracked/
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Re: Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby toucana on January 20th, 2021, 6:07 am 

According to a new CNN Business Report, many Trump supporters are excited because they believe he is about to declare martial law today, shortly before the inauguration of president Biden.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/19/tech/martial-law-trump-conspiracy-theory/index.html

The focus of this latest delusion is a Telegram account falsely purporting to be run by Gen. John Hyten, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, telling them that the moment they'd been waiting for, the moment Trump would finally act and use the military to crush his enemies, was coming.

"Nothing can stop this," the account said in a message that had been seen by at least 185,000 people as of Tuesday morning. "They can no longer hide in the shadows," it added half an hour later. Then, 20 minutes later: "Last hours." It continued on like this. Around 10 a.m. ET it posted an ominous picture of soldiers in uniform behind a fence in Washington DC with the caption "Stay in your homes."

By Tuesday afternoon, the account had almost 220,000 followers -- likely helped by the fact that it was being widely and actively discussed and promoted on other platforms including Twitter and Facebook who did not immediately respond to requests for comment. After CNN asked about the people sharing links to and promoting the Telegram channel on its platform, Twitter said it was "taking action on accounts sharing it" and would prevent the link from being tweeted further.


A spokesperson for Gen. Hyten told CNN Tuesday morning that the account is "an absolute fake" and added the Pentagon was "actively working" to get it taken down. Tuesday afternoon the account was marked as a "scam" with the message, "Warning: Many users reported this account as a scam or a fake account." The account has since shed some followers, and many of the messages have been removed.

For those who may not know, Telegram is an encrypted cross-platform messaging system that has recently become very popular with violent conspiracy theorists and right-wing extremists. The Proud Boys have recommended that their followers switch to Telegram in the wake of Parler’s shutdown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)

Telegram is currently based in Dubai, but was originally created by a pair of Russian brothers called Nikolai and Pavel Durov from St. Petersburg.
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Re: Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby TheVat on January 20th, 2021, 3:13 pm 

Looks like the republic survived, somewhat intact. And Trump's card with the codes that activate the nuclear "football" became inactive at noon, EST. The card is called "the biscuit," so one might say he now has a limp biscuit.
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Re: Parler Vous Nazi ?

Postby toucana on January 24th, 2021, 12:31 pm 

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When hackers exploited a bug in Parler to download all of the right-wing social media platform's contents last week, they were surprised to find that many of the pictures and videos contained geolocation metadata revealing exactly how many of the site's users had taken part in the invasion of the US Capitol building just days before.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/this-site-posted-every-face-from-parlers-capitol-hill-insurrection-videos/

But the videos uploaded to Parler also contain an equally sensitive bounty of data sitting in plain sight: thousands of images of unmasked faces, many of whom participated in the Capitol riot. Now one website has done the work of cataloging and publishing every one of those faces in a single, easy-to-browse lineup.

Late last week, a website called Faces of the Riot appeared online, showing nothing but a vast grid of more than 6,000 images of faces, each one tagged only with a string of characters associated with the Parler video in which it appeared.

The site's creator tells WIRED that he used simple open source machine learning and facial recognition software to detect, extract, and deduplicate every face from the 827 videos that were posted to Parler from inside and outside the Capitol building on January 6, the day when radicalized Trump supporters stormed the building in a riot that resulted in five people's deaths.

The creator of Faces of the Riot says his goal is to allow anyone to easily sort through the faces pulled from those videos to identify someone they may know or recognize who took part in the mob, or even to reference the collected faces against FBI wanted posters and send a tip to law enforcement if they spot someone.
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