## Mathematical Physics and Narcissis/ by Socratus/

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### Mathematical Physics and Narcissis/ by Socratus/

The existing interpretation of quantum mechanics is contrary to common sense.
WHY ?
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MATHEMATICAL PHYSICS   and  NARCISSISM. / by Socratus /
( The bother with theoretical physics. )
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NARCISSUS was  known for his beauty.
He saw  his own reflection in the water and fell in love with it.
Unable to leave the beauty of his reflection he stared at it until he died.
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Today mathematicians behave like Narcissus.
WHY ?
In 1905  Einstein involved negative time in his SRT.
Nobody knew what negative time  can mean  and therefore Minkowski in 1908
changed negative time into positive time creating 4-D spacetime.
The theory became very beautiful  and as a young physicist said me:
‘ My professor says that you cannot be physicist if you don’t understand the beauty of SRT
In Minkowski’s interpretation.’ , but . . .  but nobody knew  and nobody knows  what 4-D really is.  (!)
In 1919 Kaluza created 5-D universe.
To explain and to prove Kaluza’s theory O.Klein  in 1926 suggested that one dimension
can wrap into  very – very small region – universe, but . . .  but   Mincowski 4-D would
stay unchanged.  (!)
Mathematically the theory was beautiful  and interesting but
nobody knew  what 5-D is and how one  of this 5- D can wrap. (!)
It was passed about 50 years.
New forces were discovered and some physicists came to conclusion that
quantum particle cannot be ‘a point’. Quantum particle as   ‘a point’ doesn’t reflect
the thru image / face of quantum particle.  And because quantum particle at the same
time is a wave therefore it must vibrate for example as a string of violin or guitar.
But this string-particle needs 10 or  11 – dimensions.
All dimensions except Minkowski  4-D must wrap.
Minkowski 4-D keeps unchanged.  (!)
Later was invented another kind of string – loop string-particle that needed
26 or 27 dimensions. And again – in this theory Minkowski 4-D is unchanged. (!)
Physicists say that these theories are very beautiful.
The problem is that nobody   knows if these extra- dimensions and these
string – particles really exist.
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Narcissus died looking his beautiful image.
The mathematical conception of ‘beauty’ was taken Physics on Narcissus’ way.
If  we want to be realistic people , we must ask yourselves::
‘ What does real image Minkowski  4-D reflect?’
No one theoretical physicist asks  simple question:
‘Why all dimensions can wrap but 4-D remains unchanged ?’
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Best Wishes.
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### Re:     MATHEMATICAL PHYSICS   and  NARCISSISM. / by Socratu

Everything you know is wrong

This “realistic” view cannot, (and did not), survive the onslaught of data from experiments
on photons and other subatomic particles.
It’s not that physicists, in a fit of stubborn perversity,
decided to construct a theory that contradicted our most cherished intuitions about reality.
Instead, the results of experiments stubbornly refused to yield to any sort of classical interpretation.
The invention of the quantum formalism was an act of desperation—one that worked.
If we limit ourselves to asking questions permitted by quantum theory,
we’ll be rewarded with correct answers.
But if we insist on trying to grasp the meaning of what the theory tells us
using concepts from the classical world, we’ll become mired in confusion.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/07 ... ernatives/

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a) we don’t know the physical conditions of reference frame where
free quantum particles exist.
b) we don’t know the real form and physical ability of the free quantum particles.
c) if we don’t know this fundamental basis of physical   theory then ’ Everything you know is wrong’.
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### Re:     MATHEMATICAL PHYSICS   and  NARCISSISM. / by Socratu

Everything you know is wrong ( or you don't try realistic and logical
to understand quantum theory because . . . we live in  Alice's   Wonderland )

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/07 ... ernatives/
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### Re:     MATHEMATICAL PHYSICS   and  NARCISSISM. / by Socratu

socrat44,

We are all narcissists here. Regarding physics and reality -- even you and I are narcissists.

When something appears "ugly" to us, like 10 dimensions appears ugly to us, we presume it must be wrong. We presume it is wrong on account of being ugly! Whenever we hear a simpler, and more beautiful explanation for something in the world, it suddenly feels like we are "on the right track" to the truth.

Our best nobel prize winners suffer from this. Even Johannes Kepler suffered from it.

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### Re:     MATHEMATICAL PHYSICS   and  NARCISSISM. / by Socratu

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### Re:     MATHEMATICAL PHYSICS   and  NARCISSISM. / by Socratu

hyksos » August 8th, 2017, 12:49 pm wrote:socrat44,

We are all narcissists here.
Regarding physics and reality -- even you and I are narcissists.

When something appears "ugly" to us, like 10 dimensions appears ugly to us,
we presume it must be wrong. We presume it is wrong on account of being ugly!
Whenever we hear a simpler, and more beautiful explanation for something in the world,
it suddenly feels like we are "on the right track" to the truth.

Our best nobel prize winners suffer from this. Even Johannes Kepler suffered from it.

In your case we love outside beauty.
We don't say ''by beauty it is beautiful'' / Plato/ or ''by mathematics it is mathematical.''
The physics of reality is physics + mathematics and ''pure mathematics for mathematics''
see its own reflection in the beautiful formulas and fell in love with its own image.
Such approach can make us all narcissists.

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### Re: Mathematical Physics and Narcissis/ by Socratus/

''pure mathematics for mathematics''

The Goldbach Conjecture.

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