Is the future predetermined?

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Is the future predetermined?

Postby sam77 on September 21st, 2015, 2:49 am 

Could the future already exist?

The idea of quantum mechanics is that nature is inherently probabilistic. Particles have no hard properties, only likelihoods, until they are observed.

However, even though probability waves would still retain a use in statistical prediction, we find that all testable observations, such as those which make computers run and physics work, continue to function if we adopt predeterminism as the principle driving force for reality. In fact, it seems like many big mysteries of QM such as entanglement, dark energy and the double slit experiment make a lot more sense.

Why is there such a strong past-present-future time bias? It's entirely possible that human perception of time is the result of evolution and nothing more. Life must collect energy from states when it is readily available to survive, and the laws of thermodynamics state that things become more disorganized over time. Now, organic intelligent life must be able to predict the future, so evolution has given us this time bias of past-present-future. If this is true, time is free to travel both forwards and backwards and there is no reason for Quantum Mechanics to suggest that the future is decided by chance.

Thanks to Einstein's theory of relativity, we know that time passes at a different rate depending on the energy state of an observer. For example, an atomic clock on Earth synchronized with an atomic clock on a space rocket will desynchronize over time. The passage of time is not uniform throughout space. Our solar system is moving towards Lamba Herculis at a rate of 45000mph. Therefore, not all regions of space may travel through time with equal impetus. Distant galaxies accelerating away from us may be the difference between energy states of the two systems. What pulls time forwards? The answer is attraction. The future exerts an effect on the present and vice versa. Many such forces have been defined, but there may be more to discover i.e dark energy.

Quantum entanglement is defined as the 'spooky action at a distance' one or more particles can exhibit on each other. Changing the spin of one particle will affect the spin of the other, for example. The speeds of these interactions travel faster than light, seemingly breaking the laws of physics. However, according to predeterminism, these particles are not traveling, but being inferred, so the speed of light is not violated. This could be the basis behind FTL communication or FTL teleportation.

The spontaneous appearance of antiparticle pairs has long suggested the magical nature of quantum mechanics. However, this has been a red herring. There is nothing magical about a chemical reaction. The antiparticle existed and exerted its effect on the present particle. It did not randomly decide to pop into existence, but already had its part to play ordained since the dawn of creation. Particles move freely backwards and forwards through time as defined by the physical laws of the universe.

The double slit experiment shows how light and matter can display characteristics of both waves and particles. In the original experiment, a laser emits photons through a double slit setup onto a photo-receptive plate, resulting in an interference pattern suggesting that light behaves as a wave. However, the light absorbed is always found in discrete bands as individual particles. Furthermore, when a detector is placed at a slit we find that each photon only passes through one slit, functioning like a particle. This phenomenon is known as complementarity - the act of measuring a particle interacts with it such that the original trajectory is destroyed, and the interference pattern disappears.

Now consider the experiment from the particle's point of view. It exists on the plate until such time that a force draws it towards the double slit, backwards through time and into the photon emitter. When undisturbed, it can take either pathway through the double slits, owing to the unpredictable movement of microscopic particles. When we try to detect the particle, it already 'knows' that it cannot take one pathway over the other. Of course, the past has equal effect on the future state, so the particle in the future originates from such a point that the intereference pattern does not exist. This represents the fundamental nature of predeterminism.
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Re: Is the future predetermined?

Postby recursionscenario2 on May 10th, 2016, 9:55 am 

I believe that the simultaneous existence of past-present-future is indicative of a recursive mechanism underlying nature and cosmology. “Spooky action at a distance” is strongly suggestive of reflective manifolds that are entangled – much like the recursive functions that emerge when the information of a real object existing between two mirrors is transmuted to the surfaces of the mirrors and subsequently expressed through virtual recursive matrices existing on both sides. If we imagine (postulate) that the reflected images on the surfaces of the mirrors represent reflected particles ( the quantum aspect of the reflective/recursive string(s) exists between the two mirrors – or the “open” part of the string) and that the virtual recursive images existing beyond these surfaces ( the virtual interior= the matrix/lattice) merely propagate this particle information from these prime topological states, then, we can rationalize that all reflective/recursive copies ( self-similar and self-replicative) “exhibit on each other.”

If we change the spin of the real object then the spin of the reflected images on the surfaces will change relative to it. As well all recursive layers ( the membranes of recursion from the surfaces) will change their spin down the virtual recursive “arrow of time.” We can say that the reflected images (existing on the right and left mirror surfaces, respectively) on the surface represent the true symmetry of the real object ..and that the reflected images actually exist on the plane of the mirrors. ½ the symmetry of the real object exists to the right and ½ exists to the right. The entanglement of the mirrors considered together form the whole symmetry of the real object. However, due to the entanglement of the two reflective surfaces we have corresponding recursive information that copies the symmetry from the surface down 2(two) virtual space time continuums existing on both sides of the static part of the string. This would implicate the virtual recursive mechanism as a supersymmetric system that perpetually and “infinitely” copies the symmetry from the surface. All changes in the motion, spin, direction, momentum etc… of the real object will be mimicked on the surface and as well throughout the recursive membrane points existing in the virtual interior.

I would assert that the speed at which INFORMATION( verses light, per say) can both emerge and travel down the recursive lattice eclipses any constant speed of light. Once the light or energy information of the quantum side of the equation (the open part of the string- real object) reaches the entangled mirror surfaces – recursion is instantaneous and seemingly mathematically emerges instantly and INFINITELY.

I would postulate that the past represents the event when information was first implanted on the surfaces of the mirrors. I would refer to these reflective vectors as a reflective medium whereby information can be reflected to their surfaces. I would refer to these surfaces as event horizons…and whereby the two mirrors are entangled and can thereby share information to and from each other instantly , this despite being separated from each other and representing two events occurring at the same time but separated by perhaps vast distances. The present of the system is discovered within the virtual interiors on both sides. All recursive membranes emerge due to the information first ( past event) implanted on the surfaces, then, due to the entanglement of the mirrors ( alternate versions of the same real object and space between the mirrors) this arrow of time is extended infinitely on both sides. This would mean that all membranes existing within the virtual interiors represent the present and future of the time continuum. Each individual membrane that exists in the matrix will represent a present state of any existential or mass objects ( holographic principles) existing at those disparate but linked points. The future of the system represents that a present state is followed by an infinite volume of future membranes. I am describing a supersymmetric system here. The “beginning” or past of the system lies on the surface explicitly. All other membranes ( considerately present simultaneous with past and future) represent a virtual time continuum, explicitly dependent upon the information dwelling and/or remaining on the surface.

I would ask: If reality is really described as being a holographic reality how would we define such things as “chemical reactions,” “mass,” “molecule,” etc… We would have to make a complete about face in our descriptions, scientific statements and mathematical formulations?

By moving a real object toward or away from either or mirror…we can see how all recursive membranes can be moved toward the surface or toward the future.
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Re: Is the future predetermined?

Postby recursionscenario2 on May 10th, 2016, 9:55 am 

I believe that the simultaneous existence of past-present-future is indicative of a recursive mechanism underlying nature and cosmology. “Spooky action at a distance” is strongly suggestive of reflective manifolds that are entangled – much like the recursive functions that emerge when the information of a real object existing between two mirrors is transmuted to the surfaces of the mirrors and subsequently expressed through virtual recursive matrices existing on both sides. If we imagine (postulate) that the reflected images on the surfaces of the mirrors represent reflected particles ( the quantum aspect of the reflective/recursive string(s) exists between the two mirrors – or the “open” part of the string) and that the virtual recursive images existing beyond these surfaces ( the virtual interior= the matrix/lattice) merely propagate this particle information from these prime topological states, then, we can rationalize that all reflective/recursive copies ( self-similar and self-replicative) “exhibit on each other.”

If we change the spin of the real object then the spin of the reflected images on the surfaces will change relative to it. As well all recursive layers ( the membranes of recursion from the surfaces) will change their spin down the virtual recursive “arrow of time.” We can say that the reflected images (existing on the right and left mirror surfaces, respectively) on the surface represent the true symmetry of the real object ..and that the reflected images actually exist on the plane of the mirrors. ½ the symmetry of the real object exists to the right and ½ exists to the right. The entanglement of the mirrors considered together form the whole symmetry of the real object. However, due to the entanglement of the two reflective surfaces we have corresponding recursive information that copies the symmetry from the surface down 2(two) virtual space time continuums existing on both sides of the static part of the string. This would implicate the virtual recursive mechanism as a supersymmetric system that perpetually and “infinitely” copies the symmetry from the surface. All changes in the motion, spin, direction, momentum etc… of the real object will be mimicked on the surface and as well throughout the recursive membrane points existing in the virtual interior.

I would assert that the speed at which INFORMATION( verses light, per say) can both emerge and travel down the recursive lattice eclipses any constant speed of light. Once the light or energy information of the quantum side of the equation (the open part of the string- real object) reaches the entangled mirror surfaces – recursion is instantaneous and seemingly mathematically emerges instantly and INFINITELY.

I would postulate that the past represents the event when information was first implanted on the surfaces of the mirrors. I would refer to these reflective vectors as a reflective medium whereby information can be reflected to their surfaces. I would refer to these surfaces as event horizons…and whereby the two mirrors are entangled and can thereby share information to and from each other instantly , this despite being separated from each other and representing two events occurring at the same time but separated by perhaps vast distances. The present of the system is discovered within the virtual interiors on both sides. All recursive membranes emerge due to the information first ( past event) implanted on the surfaces, then, due to the entanglement of the mirrors ( alternate versions of the same real object and space between the mirrors) this arrow of time is extended infinitely on both sides. This would mean that all membranes existing within the virtual interiors represent the present and future of the time continuum. Each individual membrane that exists in the matrix will represent a present state of any existential or mass objects ( holographic principles) existing at those disparate but linked points. The future of the system represents that a present state is followed by an infinite volume of future membranes. I am describing a supersymmetric system here. The “beginning” or past of the system lies on the surface explicitly. All other membranes ( considerately present simultaneous with past and future) represent a virtual time continuum, explicitly dependent upon the information dwelling and/or remaining on the surface.

I would ask: If reality is really described as being a holographic reality how would we define such things as “chemical reactions,” “mass,” “molecule,” etc… We would have to make a complete about face in our descriptions, scientific statements and mathematical formulations?

By moving a real object toward or away from either or mirror…we can see how all recursive membranes can be moved toward the surface or toward the future.
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Re: Is the future predetermined?

Postby Inchworm on May 10th, 2016, 10:39 am 

How about mutations, are they predetermined?
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