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BadgerJelly » November 7th, 2018, 2:05 pm wrote:I thought this was old, old news?
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BadgerJelly » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:05 am wrote:I thought this was old, old news?
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zetreque » November 8th, 2018, 11:25 pm wrote:BadgerJelly » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:05 am wrote:I thought this was old, old news?
I thought so too. I donno about genotype but can't they just simply see it in the psychology generating better stats like better blood pressure levels, better metabolism/digestion due to hormone release, etc? I'm not sure I find the genotype finding as interesting as possible mechanisms of hormones, apoptosis, and metabolism changes that result from placebo inducing psychological changes.
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-1- wrote:"In all of my years of veterinary practice I did not diagnose such a thing as a psychosomatic condition in a sick non-human animal."
I guess it takes a certain level of complexity of thought. I believe animals think, some animals anyway, outside of humans; but to develop a psychosomatic illness would take abilities such as remorse, planning, and their extremes, such as shame, guilt, worry.
I Googled "psychosomatic healing", and all I got was healing psychosomatic illnesses. I was wondering if psychosomatosis can have a healing angle... the same mechanism, reversed, as what causes psychosomatic illnesses. But instread of reverse psychosomatosis healing psychosomatic illness, it would heal real illness, the psychosomatic way. (Meaning, if it can cause a healthy body to produce real symptoms of an illness, then the same mechanism could cause a sick body to not show symptoms, but show good health.)
You Doogles, seem to imply that the placebo effect is such a thing, although you did not spell it out that strongly as I stated its likelihood or rather, its potential possibility being precisely that, here.
I don't know anything about psychosomatosis, so I had better stop talking now.
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-1- » November 15th, 2018, 8:03 am wrote:Some of us are saying that the placebo effect works on gullible people who are prone to such conditions as psychosomatic diseases, and people in general are not divided by a line "these are gullible, those are not".
But I think we are losing sight of what the article said.
The article articled articulately that this is not a fine line, this is not a psychological effect, this is an actual scientific phenomenon that has direct and detectable causation, and it pointed at the causative relationship.
I thought I would add this as we were getting farther and farther away from the message of the article, and closer and closer to voicing our own strongly subjective unscientific opinion on the topic, and edging toward some consensus that is neither here nor there.
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Lozza » November 14th, 2018, 11:37 pm wrote:-1- » November 15th, 2018, 8:03 am wrote:Some of us are saying that the placebo effect works on gullible people who are prone to such conditions as psychosomatic diseases, and people in general are not divided by a line "these are gullible, those are not".
But I think we are losing sight of what the article said.
The article articled articulately that this is not a fine line, this is not a psychological effect, this is an actual scientific phenomenon that has direct and detectable causation, and it pointed at the causative relationship.
I thought I would add this as we were getting farther and farther away from the message of the article, and closer and closer to voicing our own strongly subjective unscientific opinion on the topic, and edging toward some consensus that is neither here nor there.
Actually, the article doesn't mention "gullibility", and does mention the mind, which means there is a psychological interaction...the receiving of "compassionate treatment" is a psychological effect. I got the impression that it was speaking of everything in unison.
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BadgerJelly » November 15th, 2018, 1:47 pm wrote:-1-
Sorry. Not buying this. It’s a article in the NY Times. It’s mean as a sensationalist story. I doubt anyone in the scientific community even blinked and are unlikely to blink until multiple independant studies have been conducted - which will probably not really conclude much other than some correlation produced by multiple unknown factors.
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