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Serpent » December 16th, 2015, 6:20 pm wrote:It must be about money.
If it's crazy and harmful, it's always about money.
Funny about the turnips. We can always get them in Ontario. Mostly the huge waxed ones that are hard to work with and way too much for two old people, but often also the little purple-and-white swedes that are easy to peel and just right for soup. Two of those, a biggish parsnip and two carrots or a sweet potato make a hearty winter soup.
There are plenty of ways to eat well and sensibly.
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BadgerJelly » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:16 pm wrote:I thought the point was that we have to feed the livestock and so if we feed ourselves veg and not livestock then that is better for the environment.
If the pig eats lettuce and then I eat the pig I have effectively eaten pig and lettuce! I am starting to think about the restaurant at the end of the universe now! haha!
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Serpent » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:10 pm wrote:Lettuce is unnecessary; it's a decorative food. The salad thing this year is kale - which, incidentally, is much better cooked than raw, so people who try to jump on the bandwagon will think they don't like it. Too bad, since it's an excellent vegetable, like spinach, chard, beet and mustard greens .
The problem is not the foods themselves, but the methods of production, transport and retailing. Change those - and we must change them - and the figures all change. Growing lettuce and cucumbers in an extensively irrigated desert and then shipping them by truck to places where they would grow practically untended is quite ridiculous. So is shipping fruit from another continent, instead of preserving the excess in season. Meat should be produced safer, healthier, greener and closer to the consumer in laboratory-factories.
Until then, you can still win something. By avoiding meat, you save some animals from suffering, keep your heart beating stronger and longer and manage your weight more easily.
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btw: we don't really feed our grazer animals lettuce. lol. it's mostly corn/grain. Which is another argument against unhealthy non organic food.
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btw: we don't really feed our grazer animals lettuce. lol. it's mostly corn/grain. Which is another argument against unhealthy non organic food.
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bangstrom » December 18th, 2015, 3:46 am wrote:I figure celery has negative calories. It takes more energy to chew it than you get from the celery.
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Serpent » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:14 pm wrote:This article looks pretty good on cultured meat: http://gizmodo.com/the-future-will-be-full-of-lab-grown-meat-1720874704
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Vegetarian and 'healthy' diets could be more harmful to the environment, researchers say, Science Daily wrote:However, eating the recommended "healthier" foods -- a mix of fruits, vegetables, dairy and seafood -- increased the environmental impact in all three categories: Energy use went up by 38 percent, water use by 10 percent and GHG emissions by 6 percent.
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vivian maxine » December 19th, 2015, 6:49 am wrote:Right, serpent. I haven't eaten meat for years and do fine. I do find soy products a bit drier. Wish they could moisten it up more. But it treats me better than meat, especially red meat.
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vivian maxine » December 19th, 2015, 1:18 pm wrote:I buy my veggie burgers already made but it would be better, making my own. I could make them more moist with your method. I don't cook much, having only myself to feed and other things to do.
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Why we ship Florida oranges to Africa and import theirs to us is a mystery that we'll never solve. I'm sure there is a secret reason under the table. It doesn't help that this produce has to be picked before it is ripe in order to go through this shipping.
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Braininvat » December 20th, 2015, 12:09 am wrote:... But meat, for many people in developing countries, means they're achieving a dream of a middle class first-world life, alas. They keep wanting all the perks that we are learning to be so fraught with eco-difficulties.
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