Andrex » February 24th, 2017, 4:36 pm wrote:
Expansion of space has been invented to avoid galaxies to be exceeding the speed of light,
Galaxies exceeding the speed of light is taken care by special relativity;
No it's not! If galaxies were considered moving away from one another, they would on the contrary contradict relativity, because they would be relatively moving at more than the speed of light.
I always said that the steps had a wave form that had to correspond to the wave that was producing them.
You have now to demonstrate it; if not by observations, at least by logical explanations.
I did, but you did not get it. I said that a step was made of small accelerations from rest, followed by small decelerations to rest, and that these accelerations were executed by the components. If you put these accelerations side by side on a graphic, you get a step that follows a sinusoidal curve.
Gravity is not a distortion. Distortion is the alteration of a "shape" like a wave.
A wave is an acceleration followed by a deceleration, and gravity is an acceleration, so both are distortions, except that the distortion causing gravity is continuous. That's precisely why I think you can use your collapsed space to explain my small steps.
and it is the same when they get accelerated from a collision.
You have to show and explain it not only say it.
I already explained it, but you did not get it either. Imagine that my two atoms are at rest, not making steps, now give a small push to the first one and stop before the doppler effect from that push has the time to get to the second atom. If you push it slowly, the atom will move a bit, and if you push it fast, it will move a lot. In the same time, it will thus have the time to make a smaller or a longer step depending on the importance of the acceleration. If you push twice as fast in the same time, the step will be twice as long, but if you push slowly two times in a row in the same direction, the step will become longer in that direction, and it will finally have the same length as in the case of the faster acceleration.
This explains the effect acceleration has on speed and direction. Now here is the effect it has on mass. While you are pushing, the atom's speed will immediately cause doppler effect on the light from the second atom, so when you will stop pushing, it will stop moving since it is made to stay synchronized with it. This means that, when you will be pushing, it will constantly try to stop moving, a behavior similar to resisting to the acceleration, which is attributed to massive bodies.
To account for gravitation, the steps increase their length, not their frequency,
Frequency is something that I grab with difficulty. Trying to make it clear, frequency of soundwaves
diminishes as the wave extends resulting from motion exclusively
No, the frequency of waves do not change with distance if their propagating medium doesn't change. Only their intensity does. For instance, sea swell is the result of higher waves having lost their height with distance, but they still have the same frequency, or the same length if you prefer.
frequency of light doesn't change because the speed of light is an invariant whatever the wavelength.
The speed of sound is also invariant in air if the pressure is constant, but we nevertheless can detect that the frequency of a sound changes if there is motion between the source and us.
The steps from the atoms are composed of the steps from their components, and these components share the same frequency.
That's an affirmation. Explain it. Components of atoms are what? Electrons, neutrons and protons share the same frequency; how so? Quarks are components of protons and neutrons; they also share the same frequency; how so?
Later, once you have assimilated the basics of the steps.
I don't think that mass and size are really related unless you think that mass is a bundle of matter.
There you go again, trying to dissociate mass from matter on one side, and putting them back together on the other.
True, but you still do not provide an explanation for that kind of speed.
What speed are you talking about? The one produced by "liberating" an object from the "grip" of the rotating Earth? That speed doesn't exist; it's the rotating speed that exists. And I've explained its origin previously.
You explained that aggregation of two massive particles would automatically put them in motion, and that aggregation of more particles would add to the motion, but you did not explain why.
In the case of a rotational motion, a tangential speed produces a motion away from the center of rotation, which has to be compensated by a motion towards that center in the case of gravitation. But I admit that it can be considered as an effect.
The only exact thing you say in this phrase is the "effect". Tangential speed is never produced by a rotating planet;
In the case of an orbital trajectory, tangential means tangent to the trajectory, so the tangential speed is the speed in the direction of the trajectory. If we release a stone out of a rotating sling, it follows the tangent direction it has at the moment it is released, it doesn't travel directly away from the center of rotation as your tangential speed seems to mean. Of course it is moving away from that center even if not directly, reason why it exerts a pull on the sling until it is released. The same thing happens in the case of an orbital motion, gravitation has to compensate for the tendency of the body to follow a tangent direction, which, again, is not directly away from the center of gravity.
Read this again: "We know that a satellite, in a circular orbit around the Earth, is in a “free falling” situation. And this is where we find our proof; because a satellite in free falling situation on a circular orbit, DOESN’T ACCELERATE AT ALL. It keeps a “free falling” constant speed while traveling inside its "orbital corridor". And that discredits completely the acceleration "law" stipulated by an "acting" force concept, SINCE IT DOESN'T APPLY TO BOTH "FREE FALL" SITUATIONS .".
What you say doesn't prove that your solution is the only possibility. It is also possible to imagine that the information that produces the acceleration is immediately compensated by the information that produces tangential motion, especially if both information concern the same mechanism.
Your collapsed metric is related to the centers of mass, so it originates from massive particles,
That metric is the smallest measuring "distance" that exist; it's the product of "motion" by kinetic energy. It doesn't have any relation whatsoever with "massive particles".
Yes it does, because without massive particles, there wouldn't be any collapsed space to be collapsing into.
It's impossible to have a massive particle without "space" containing it. So "space" has to exist before particles exist.
Maybe, but collapsed space can still not exist without particles.
The question then becomes: what puts them out of sync?
An external acceleration, a collision for instance. As soon as such a collision happens, the first atom to move produces doppler effect on the light from the other atom,
But doesn't one atom detect a Doppler effect when the other atom moves, which means "accelerate" from "stopped" to "in motion"? Why doesn't this Doppler effect put it out of sync and the other Doppler effect does?
Because the first atom is forced to move, whereas the second one is not. When the first one perceives doppler effect from the second one, he cannot stop only because he is forced to move, otherwise it would. On the contrary, the second one has nothing in front of him, so he only has to accelerate to stay on sync.
We first have to indicate the speed we're talking about. Speed is essentially a characteristic of "motion"; nothing else. The most important "motion" in the universe is its "expansion".
Again, expansion is not considered as a motion, otherwise it would contradict relativity.
All motions start from there. Its source is the universal kinetic energy that is an invariant. The speed of that "motion" is light speed.
If we consider that expansion is not a motion, then it cannot have kinetic energy either. We may attribute it a speed, but only massive bodies can have a kinetic energy, because it is a measure of resistance to change, and space does not resist to change.
as soon as we see a difference in the observed frequency, we accelerate towards the source until there is no more difference, and we use the intensity of the observed information as a reference for the intensity of our acceleration.
Based on what?
Based on the information we get from the massive particles of the source about their importance. Unfortunately though, only massive particles can detect such an in formation, which is by the way no more suspect than detecting that the space is collapsed.
Remind me the difference you see between Doppler effect and Redshift?
Doppler effect=motion of massive bodies and eventually collision, redshift=expansion, thus no motion and no collision risk, thus no insurance to pay. :0)