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zetreque » September 4th, 2017, 3:00 am wrote:I don't know what you are talking about.
Maybe because I'm not sure what your definition of unconsciousness is.
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socrat44 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:34 am wrote:zetreque » September 4th, 2017, 3:00 am wrote:I don't know what you are talking about.
Maybe because I'm not sure what your definition of unconsciousness is.
unconsciousness = subconsciousness
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socrat44 » September 4th, 2017, 12:11 am wrote:
The whole universe ( including human brain ) is acting out according to the laws of physics.
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Hi Socrat,socrat44 wrote:Therefore talking about ''free will '' we need to think about two levels of deciding
a) free will on conscious level
b) free will on subconscious level
c) what is interaction between them
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Inchworm » September 15th, 2017, 12:45 pm wrote:. Of course, we can feel free of changing known things,
but it is the same as tempting an unknown move.
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Inchworm » October 3rd, 2017, 11:01 am wrote:
To produce randomness, do we have a specific device like a random function or
is it simply due to the way memory works? If it is a random function for instance,
what triggers it?
Is it at "on" all the time?
It certainly is at "on" when we dream for instance, so why not all the time.
But if it is so, it could also be due to the way memory works.
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I agree with that: it dovetails my idea that mind has to produces randomness in order to invent new stuff.socrat44 » October 6th, 2017, 1:57 am wrote:” . . . the discovery is not the matter of logical thought,
even if the final product is connected with the logical form”
If consciousness is the result of our neurons detecting a change in the information they propagate, and if that change can happen inside the brain as well as outside, then it has to be the brain itself that produces the change, and it can only produce it randomly otherwise it could predict the future, so this way, it would in fact be the brain that produces consciousness.In book ‘ The Holographic Universe’ Michael Talbot
on page 160 explained this situation in such way:
‘ Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may not be
the brain that produce consciousness, but rather consciousness
that creates the appearance of the brain ’
If consciousness is the perception of a random process, then it certainly has something to do with quantum randomness since both processes have something to do with the way things adapt to a change. The best example is the evolution of species: if their genes would not suffer random mutations, they could not adapt to a change in their environment. The same way, to detect a particle, we need to change its direction or speed, and it cannot find the right way without trying different directions and speeds randomly.“... indeed an understanding of psi phenomena and of consciousness must provide the basis of an improved understanding of quantum mechanics.”
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Inchworm » October 6th, 2017, 3:04 pm wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.sciencechatforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=328908#p328908]
If consciousness is the perception of a random process,
then it certainly has something to do with quantum randomness
since both processes have something to do with the way things adapt to a change.
The best example is the evolution of species:
if their genes would not suffer random mutations,
they could not adapt to a change in their environment.
The same way, to detect a particle, we need to change its direction or speed,
and it cannot find the right way without trying different directions
and speeds randomly.
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Inchworm » October 9th, 2017, 10:31 am wrote:Evolution is a progressive process . . .
The monkey has to make a sound first,
and that sound has to be selected by the environment right away.
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Inchworm » October 9th, 2017, 11:38 am wrote:Intelligence is nothing special, . . .
By the way, that idea is stupid,
so I suggest that you don't buy it if you want to stay intelligent! :0)
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