Don Juan » April 5th, 2012, 10:20 pm wrote:
Nothing-ness does not absolutely suggest a lack of thing but it is always a result of a comparison. Nothing is still a pattern, that is, we experienced a pattern in this universe and we called it “nothing”. If you are referring to nothing as a lack of thing absolutely, then that proposition is more of an idealization, an abstraction removed from context. We can speak of nothing by describing or thinking about context and then noticing what is not in it or collapsing the context altogether in which case the only one left is the conscious experiencer. If the experiencer too is eliminated, then it is not called nothing anymore, but it cannot be known. If nothing is non-existent, you will not be able to state your first proposition.
Don Juan » April 6th, 2012, 1:19 am wrote:Nothingness exist as a pattern because of the ability of thought linked to the external world via the nervous system, which then include the brain as a prediction-memory system. There are always two aspects compared, in simplest form, either one aspect of thought to another, an aspect of thought to the outside world, or two aspects of the outside world. These processes usually happens unconsciously as much as thought and observation and the network of feedback between them usually happen unconsciously.
ronjanec » February 14th, 2017, 8:12 pm wrote:Agreed by whom? Agreed by common sense logic Lomax, or CSL. :) If there was conceptually speaking no possible existence of any kind existing before the beginning of all existence, there could not have then been any kind of before state or condition existing in any way before this, hence the no before concept being a viable option or contrast to something always existing.
No, this does not prove in and of itself that some form of existence could not have existed always like I think DragonFly believes, but it does represent the only other logical option to an "Infinite Regress" type theory.
Ron wrote:I again believe existence had a beginning
Ron wrote:No Dave, the real problem here is the fact that some of your ideas do not correspond to objective reality.
Dave_Oblad » February 16th, 2017, 2:03 am wrote:Hi Ron,Ron wrote:I again believe existence had a beginning
So before the <Beginning of Time> there was no Time obviously.. or the word "beginning" has no meaning. Thus with no "Time" there can't be change. And without a Change a Beginning can't Begin. Duhhh...
ronjanec » February 15th, 2017, 9:49 pm wrote:Don,
What you are actually talking about here is a complete absence of someone existing that can only basically exist in Objective Reality in the form of an observation.
What Dave is describing here is of course different and much grander in scale, or a very illogical something "is nothing" state or condition existing, that he also refers to as "the Absolute (no size) Void".
Dave_Oblad wrote:Hi All,
I made the point that our Existence is purely a Virtual Mathematical Construct and as such, it requires no space and has no physical size. Our Reality is a Virtual Reality. We exist just like Pi exists.. and neither take up any space.. we don't crowd each other.. there is infinite room for more such Constructs. The aspect of Volume or Time is strictly an Internal view from within the Construct.
And my input here is Metaphysical in nature. I can easily see your side but fail to understand why you can't grasp my side. The Box is a Mathematical Construct. Inside the Box it can be of infinite volume. From Outside the Box, it doesn't have any Physical size because it's not Physical.. it's solely Mathematical in nature.
Not sure I understand your point.
1. Change requires Time.
2. Before Time there is no Time.
3. If there is no Time then there is no Change.
4. If there is no Change then how did Time begin?
It a logical conundrum that indicates something external had to start Time.
Some call the external source God.
I say the external source is Math.
The God path can lead to infinite regression eventually.
The Math path is simple and finite.
But, that doesn't make me an Atheist.
The Math path can also create a God if desired, with a beginning.
My personal View is that it is likely the Universe is the Mind of God.
But Math kick started it all into Virtual Existence.
Ron wrote:..is instead a something that is physical, three dimensional, and non particulate..
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