![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Eclogite » March 15th, 2017, 12:17 am wrote:I agree, butNeri » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:16 pm wrote:Eclogite,
As the title suggests, my OP concerns the nature of man. I think this should be a matter of some interest.
1. It is far too extensive a topic to be properly addressed in a single thread. Therefore, to be productive some specific aspect of man should have been its focus.
2. Since it is of interest it would have been more productive to post observations that were not "a mix of unfounded assertions that are arguably mistaken and statements of the blindingly obvious".
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Neri » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:25 pm wrote:Wolfhnd,
There is no difference between whites and blacks [or other racial groups for that matter] when it comes to violent instincts. Such things are common to all humans.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
vivian maxine » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:12 pm wrote:Speaking of "us" and "them", have you considered how often and how quickly our "us" and our "them" change? One year we can be warring with "them". A few years later, they will be "us" and we'll be warring with those who were "us".
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
wolfhnd » March 16th, 2017, 2:04 pm wrote:"It may even be a switch which is easier to flip in the white male according to the common profiling of serial killers."
That is a fairly racist statement :-).
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 1.93095.d8
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Neri » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:25 pm wrote:Wolfhnd,
There is no difference between whites and blacks [or other racial groups for that matter] when it comes to violent instincts. Such things are common to all humans.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-homo-sapiens-and-vs-homo-erectus/
Homo sapiens and Homo erectus are the modern man and one of the extinct species of man-like or hominids respectively. There are many differences between them,
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Were the Germans part of a hundred or so individuals known to "us"? No. Were the "us" who were threatened our friends and family? Yes.Neri » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:57 pm wrote:Are you seriously contending that in the Second World War, the English in their millions did not consider themselves “us” and the Germans “them” in the sense that I described—or indeed that virtually all Germans had it the other way ‘round?
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
wolfhnd » March 17th, 2017, 1:11 am wrote:mitchellmckain your link has nothing to do with psychopathy. It is about profiling and misuse of data. On the other hand my link does clearly contradict your assertion that psychopathy is more common in white males. Start a new thread if you want to make that argument.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Are you suggesting that "all other animals" lack reasoning powers?Athena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:39 pm wrote:The distinguishing feature of homo sapien is he is the only animal that explains his behaviors. It is his reasoning powers that separate him from all other animals. This is one of the things that separates him from homo erectus, not his teeth.
What is your evidence that the greater reasoning powers are responsible for the "advanced social connections"?Athena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:39 pm wrote:However, both are mammals and share much in common with other mammals. Both are social animals, however, the advanced social connections between homo sapiens do to his greater reasoning powers, explains why homo sapiens are so successful and home erectus is extinct.
Athena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:39 pm wrote:http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-homo-sapiens-and-vs-homo-erectus/
Homo sapiens and Homo erectus are the modern man and one of the extinct species of man-like or hominids respectively. There are many differences between them,
Reading and writing have been absent from the skill set of homo sapiens time for the vast majority of their existence. Therefore, for the vast majority of the time, there was no difference in this ability between homo erectus and homo sapiens.Athena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:39 pm wrote:An important difference is the ability to write and read books and therefore accumulate knowledge for thousands of years, making progress possible. Human cultures lacking this accessibility of information have not progressed that same as humans who are well educated. Humans who have developed science have gained a higher degree of control of their environment, and this makes them very different from all other animals.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
They did not need to meet any of them. That is the entire point. Since they were not met, they were automatically "them". It was more difficult for those who had met Germans to make that classification. Just ask the Mitford sisters.Neri » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:01 pm wrote:Eclogite,
It was not necessary that all Englishmen meet every single German in order to identify all Germans as “them” during World War II. .
Precisely. You may be within a hair's breadth of grasping the point.Neri » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:01 pm wrote:I think you will agree that English soldiers killed Germans to whom they had not been formally introduced and that such a thing occurred many thousands of times.
The same may properly be said from the point of view of the Germans.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Neri » Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:37 am wrote:Eclogite
Our ancestors evolved as families and extended families (clans), then grew into tribes, then into groups of allied tribes, then into kingdoms, then into empires and finally into the modern nation states.
At every stage of this progression, the sense of “us” and “them” persisted. That is, the idea that we belonged to a group (“us”) and that others did not (“them”) never changed, even when the size of the group became progressively larger and we no longer were acquainted with every member of the group.
That sense of “us” and “them” exists to this day in the context of nation states—the sense of “us” being called nationalism.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Eclogite » March 17th, 2017, 8:58 am wrote:Are you suggesting that "all other animals" lack reasoning powers?Athena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:39 pm wrote:The distinguishing feature of homo sapien is he is the only animal that explains his behaviors. It is his reasoning powers that separate him from all other animals. This is one of the things that separates him from homo erectus, not his teeth.
What is your evidence that the reasoning powers of homo erectus differed significantly from that of homo sapiens?
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
That is unnecessary. I have an extensive library on primate behaviour, modest material on anthropology and reasonable world histories, with a strong bias towards World War II and Hitler. What I have asked you for is specific research that establishes, or at least points strongly towards, your contention that - despite a couple of million years adjusting our instincts to work effectively in small tribes - we managed to transform those basic instincts within a few thousand years.Neri » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:59 pm wrote:Eclogite,
When I have the time I will provide you with a bibliography on world history, anthropology and primate behavior so that you may educate yourself on the “bloody obvious.”
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Athena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:39 pm wrote:The distinguishing feature of homo sapien is he is the only animal that explains his behaviors. It is his reasoning powers that separate him from all other animals. This is one of the things that separates him from homo erectus, not his teeth. However, both are mammals and share much in common with other mammals. Both are social animals, however, the advanced social connections between homo sapiens do to his greater reasoning powers, explains why homo sapiens are so successful and home erectus is extinct.http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-homo-sapiens-and-vs-homo-erectus/
Homo sapiens and Homo erectus are the modern man and one of the extinct species of man-like or hominids respectively. There are many differences between them,
An important difference is the ability to write and read books and therefore accumulate knowledge for thousands of years, making progress possible. Human cultures lacking this accessibility of information have not progressed that same as humans who are well educated. Humans who have developed science have gained a higher degree of control of their environment, and this makes them very different from all other animals.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
wolfhnd » March 18th, 2017, 4:58 pm wrote:Athena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:39 pm wrote:The distinguishing feature of homo sapien is he is the only animal that explains his behaviors. It is his reasoning powers that separate him from all other animals. This is one of the things that separates him from homo erectus, not his teeth. However, both are mammals and share much in common with other mammals. Both are social animals, however, the advanced social connections between homo sapiens do to his greater reasoning powers, explains why homo sapiens are so successful and home erectus is extinct.http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-homo-sapiens-and-vs-homo-erectus/
Homo sapiens and Homo erectus are the modern man and one of the extinct species of man-like or hominids respectively. There are many differences between them,
An important difference is the ability to write and read books and therefore accumulate knowledge for thousands of years, making progress possible. Human cultures lacking this accessibility of information have not progressed that same as humans who are well educated. Humans who have developed science have gained a higher degree of control of their environment, and this makes them very different from all other animals.
The evidence is pretty clear that first the culture and then the brain. The same is true of the teeth. Culture of course cannot exist unless it can be transmitted so yes communication is a key component.
http://www.heretohelp.bc.ca/visions/aboriginal-people-vol5/aboriginal-mental-health-the-statistical-reality
there are serious concerns about mental illness and social ills such as substance abuse, addiction, suicide and violence among Aboriginal people and communities. The imposition of European culture and the loss of indigenous culture, lifestyle and self-determination is seen as a major cause of health and social problems in the population.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Thus, we enjoy blood sports such as prize fighting and cage fighting, bull fights and the like. We go to car races, secretly hoping that drivers will be killed or seriously injured. We delight in violent films—the more violent the better. We devour plays and novels that depict murder and mayhem in excruciating detail.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Eclogite Honestly, I have no clue what you are talking about. I get the distinct impression that you have not read my posts with a view to comprehending them.
![]() |
![]() |
Return to Metaphysics & Epistemology
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests