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CanMan » July 23rd, 2020, 3:12 pm wrote:Without Time, there can be no change of states; no motion/movement; no action/activity; no events can occur.
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CanMan » July 23rd, 2020, 9:12 pm wrote:CanMan wrote:...stops all activity within the universe.Charon wrote:Is that possible?
Without Time, there can be no change of states; no motion/movement; no action/activity; no events can occur.
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CanMan » July 23rd, 2020, 12:59 pm wrote:Time can be proven to have infinitely existed by a couple of methods.
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TheVat wrote:The sticking point may be in assuming time has any ontological independence of matter/energy, rather than just being a mathematical convenience (an abstraction) used to describe change.
Serpent wrote:What is time?
DragonFly wrote:…'time' happens due to change.
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CanMan » July 23rd, 2020, 8:55 pm wrote: This is how I see it:
- Zero dimensional point can't change/translate into a line without a 1st dimension.
- One dimensional line can't change/translate into a plane without a 2nd dimension.
- Two dimensional plane can't change/translate into a solid (object) without a 3rd dimension.
- Three dimensional object can't change/translate into motion without a 4th dimension.
The 4th dimension is called Time. Without Time, there could be no motion or change of 3D objects.
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Serpent wrote:What's the point of 'proving' that it is as you define it?
Serpent wrote:Of course time has always existed. Always is a property of time.
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CanMan » July 23rd, 2020, 10:59 pm wrote:Always" can also be used in an infinite, and permanent sense, and not just in a temporal sense.
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CanMan wrote:[What does "infinite" mean?]
Without end. Limitless.
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CanMan » July 23rd, 2020, 11:30 pm wrote:All dimensions are infinite, including the dimension called Time.
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DragonFly » July 24th, 2020, 9:09 pm wrote:'Infinite' is used in regard to extent, size, number sequences, calculus series, all of which must remain only as 'potential' since they can never complete. Thus, one cannot have an actual 'infinite', which is what the definition 'infinite' is trying to say, as that in doesn't end.
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Positor » July 24th, 2020, 7:42 pm wrote:It is possible that the universe is infinite in extent. I wonder about the ontological implications of this. Can an infinite universe be regarded as a 'thing' that is 'there'?
Is it 'all' there, or only partly there? If it is only partly there, does the 'part' correspond to the extent to which we can conceive it?
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DragonFly wrote:'Infinite' is used in regard to extent, size, number sequences, calculus series, all of which must remain only as 'potential' since they can never complete.
Positor wrote:It is possible that the universe is infinite in extent?
Positor wrote:Can an infinite universe be regarded as a 'thing' that is 'there'?
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Charon wrote:You haven't commented on this: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=35955&p=351871#p351871
CanMan wrote:Without Time, there can be no change of states; no motion/movement; no action/activity; no events can occur.
CanMan wrote:- Zero dimensional point can't change/translate into a line without a 1st dimension.
- One dimensional line can't change/translate into a plane without a 2nd dimension.
- Two dimensional plane can't change/translate into a solid (object) without a 3rd dimension.
- Three dimensional object can't change/translate into motion without a 4th dimension.
The 4th dimension is called Time. Without Time, there could be no motion or change of 3D objects.
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Charon wrote:Time and motion go together.
Charon wrote:Your question was whether time/motion has always (infinitely) existed. When you use the word 'always' it implies time, right?
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charon wrote:What is time without motion?
charon wrote:Would the universe exist at all without motion?
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CanMan wrote:- Zero dimensional point can't change/translate into a line without a 1st dimension.
- One dimensional line can't change/translate into a plane without a 2nd dimension.
- Two dimensional plane can't change/translate into a solid (object) without a 3rd dimension.
- Three dimensional object can't change/translate into motion without a 4th dimension.
The 4th dimension is called Time. Without Time, there could be no motion or change of 3D objects.
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Still a dimension
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CanMan » July 25th, 2020, 4:12 pm wrote:It boils down to this -- if you believe Time is truly a dimension, then motion is a function of time (not the other way around).
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