Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Watson on March 7th, 2018, 5:39 pm 

Not guns for everybody - just the able-bodied white males who could be called up for military service.


Well that was the original interpretation, in the good ol' days of the flint'loc. The more modern interpretation some have adopted is the 'more guns, not less' interpretation which sort of implies a gun for everyone.

My point was that the NRA calls on the constitution as the end all and be all, last word on gun ownership. Others would point out it is an out dated document and should not carry that much weight in the days of automatic single purpose weapons.

So trump might what to flip the argument about term limits and say the constitution is out dated?
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Serpent on March 7th, 2018, 6:13 pm 

Watson » March 7th, 2018, 4:39 pm wrote:The more modern interpretation some have adopted is the 'more guns, not less' interpretation which sort of implies a gun for everyone.

My point was that the NRA calls on the constitution as the end all and be all, last word on gun ownership.

Yes, and since it's a matter of interpretation, that one, too, can be quashed by a supreme court ruling.
As long as anyone has a voice, there is no "last word".

So trump might what to flip the argument about term limits and say the constitution is out dated?

Sure. But, as I said, it would depend on how much support he could muster - not for the ten minutes that his average staffer stays on board, but for the long haul. What d'you give for his chances of holding and keeping a loyal power-base with enough clout to pacify the country?
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Neri on March 7th, 2018, 10:26 pm 

When examined on voir dire by the court a prospective juror is always asked this question:

“If you are selected as a juror in this case, will you follow the law as I will explain it to you, even if you personally disagree with the law?”

If the answer is “yes,” the prospective juror will not be excused.

If the answer is “no,” the juror will not, as a matter of law, be qualified to sit on any jury and will therefore be excused for cause.

If the court permitted a juror to disregard the law as it exists and substitute his own opinion as to what the law should be, the court would, in effect, be allowing a juror to change the rules in the middle of the game. This would be profoundly unfair to the parties who are prepared to present their arguments on the basis of the law, as they know it is.

The United States is a democracy. Plenty of opportunity is provided for citizen to petition state and federal legislatures to change a law with which they disagree. The people also have the right to peaceably assemble in protest of any law.

If anyone feels so strongly about a particular law that he decides deliberately to disobey it, he has a moral privilege to do so. However, with it comes a moral condition that he accept whatever punishment the law provides.

Without this acceptance, there is neither a moral nor a legal basis for civil disobedience. This is a lesson that the Mayor of Oakland, California has yet to learn.
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Serpent on March 7th, 2018, 11:58 pm 

Neri » March 7th, 2018, 9:26 pm wrote:
The United States is a democracy. Plenty of opportunity is provided for citizen to petition state and federal legislatures to change a law with which they disagree. The people also have the right to peaceably assemble in protest of any law.


Do you believe this?
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby BadgerJelly on March 8th, 2018, 2:01 am 

Serpent » March 8th, 2018, 11:58 am wrote:
Neri » March 7th, 2018, 9:26 pm wrote:
The United States is a democracy. Plenty of opportunity is provided for citizen to petition state and federal legislatures to change a law with which they disagree. The people also have the right to peaceably assemble in protest of any law.


Do you believe this?


I think it is true enough. That is not to say there would not be non-governmental (yet still political) opposition to such an act - we this all the time don't we?

When things get pushed too far then rebellions begin ans tyranny rises to beat down any protesters it can. At such a point the whole political infrastructure becomes so unstable that desperate measure take hold of people. No sensible governing body does anything to antagonise society and cause a political implosion (not intentionally anyway.) Although it is precisely the far left that does want precisely this; and being a peculiar type of anarchist myself I can understand it, but I don't condone it.

My view is the individual should treat themselves with anarchical rage and treat society with parental respect. I truly think the political divide is due to people severing themselves from themselves and projecting thheir fault others because they've not been given the means or know how of coming to understand themselves.

We're all just children who think we're better than children. The irony is children are most attuned to themselves than most adults, because they are right within the process of creating and individual setting for themselves. The issue us dumbo "adults" have is unearthing that childlike quality and nascent being in a clam and measured manner. We most certainly need to do so in order to keep moving forward.
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Neri on March 8th, 2018, 10:14 am 

Serpent,

Of course, I believe it.

Anyone with two eyes and half a brain in his head should believe it as well.

BJ,

Well said.
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby BadgerJelly on March 8th, 2018, 10:30 am 

"clam and measured manner" haha! Next time I'll wait until I have something better than this crappy phone to type on.
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Serpent on March 8th, 2018, 2:56 pm 

Well, then I suppose there is nothing to worry about.
What could possibly go wrong?
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