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Braininvat » Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:53 am wrote:knock out the leading contender and hand the electoral votes to Hillary.
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zetreque » Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:20 pm wrote:I meant that Hillary is going to be forced out of the primary because of her email scandal and it's going to be Sanders :)
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zetreque » Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:29 pm wrote:well I just hate people ruling out Sanders when all the websites aren't truly reflecting the popular vote. He has gained ground in Nevada for example because they are still caucusing.
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Unlike in a primary, the Nevada caucus does not result directly in national delegates for each candidate. Instead, caucus-goers elect delegates to county conventions, who, in turn, elect delegates to state conventions, where Nevada’s national convention delegates are selected.
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mtbturtle » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:24 pm wrote:zetreque » Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:20 pm wrote:I meant that Hillary is going to be forced out of the primary because of her email scandal and it's going to be Sanders :)
Nobody cares about her emails ( as I recall including Sanders). There is no scandal.
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zetreque » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:18 am wrote:mtbturtle » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:24 pm wrote:zetreque » Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:20 pm wrote:I meant that Hillary is going to be forced out of the primary because of her email scandal and it's going to be Sanders :)
Nobody cares about her emails ( as I recall including Sanders). There is no scandal.
Nobody cares? That's not what I'm seeing now that I'm actually looking this stuff up. It's all over the place. Including petitions with thousands of signatures.
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zetreque » June 1st, 2016, 5:11 pm wrote:Wall Street Journal
Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee
May 31, 2016 6:31 p.m. ET
http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-might-not-be-the-nominee-1464733898
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Braininvat » Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:10 pm wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/opinion/politicians-and-the-lies-that-matter.html
Friedman on Hillary's lies v. her opponent's double-whoppers.
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Braininvat » Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:07 pm wrote:zetreque » June 1st, 2016, 5:11 pm wrote:Wall Street Journal
Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee
May 31, 2016 6:31 p.m. ET
http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-might-not-be-the-nominee-1464733898
Paywall, Zee.
Thomas Friedman had a good piece in the NYT this weekend, comparing the size and nature of Hillary's lies with Trump's lies. Will find link here in a sec.
I think Bernie is dreaming when he says "California is the whole enchilada." Or living in 1968, back when it was a winner-take-all primary. After a messy convention floor brawl in 1972, California reformed its primary and delegates are now apportioned based on vote totals. Polls suggest he will get 45-48% of the enchilada. Not enough. It gives me no pleasure to say this: Hillary's coronation is coming and there's no way to stop it. Superdelegates were specifically instituted to PREVENT a popular insurgent candidate from storming the ramparts and ravaging the Party establishment. (Democrats can be just as slick and sneaky as Repubs) That's why most of them are committing to the Chosen One and why Bernie has no chance of wheedling them over to his corner. SuperD's are a corruption of democracy.
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mtbturtle » Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:03 pm wrote:I really don't get this equivalency between Trump and Hillary both being equally bad. Trump is vile. Whatever I think of Hillary she isn't a racist. Hillary is the most qualified candidate to run in my lifetime. She has taken decades of smears and attacks and is still going. If she were a man . . .
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SciameriKen » Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:49 pm wrote:mtbturtle » Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:03 pm wrote:I really don't get this equivalency between Trump and Hillary both being equally bad. Trump is vile. Whatever I think of Hillary she isn't a racist. Hillary is the most qualified candidate to run in my lifetime. She has taken decades of smears and attacks and is still going. If she were a man . . .
I find the argument funny that she has taken years of smears and attacks and this is a good thing. This tells me that she at best likes to flirt with the limits of what is allowed and at worst she is actually guilty of some of these things.
I think the fact that she is so well known is going to be a double edged sword. She is currently tied with Trump - what is she going to say that we haven't heard before to get ahead? how can she attack trump when for whatever she goes after him with she has something in her history that also applies.
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