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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby SciameriKen on June 2nd, 2016, 7:21 pm 

mtbturtle » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:33 pm wrote:I find it funny you thought I meant it as a good thing. If those are the only two alternatives you can come up with, I think you are trolling. I would go with the rightwing hate machine grew up based on Clinton hating. You might stop to consider how 30+ years of exposure to this has affected your views of Hillary Clinton.


I am confused then - I often see it espoused like it is a great thing that Hillary is vetted in this way. Your explanation does not cover the fact that the 20 or so "Scandals" do have some truth behind them. Some more truth than others. It seems people fall into either two camps - 1) its all BS or 2) its all truth. My explanation puts a third option out there - that Clinton flirts with danger.

Tell me about some of Hillary's hate mongering and how she mainstream this kind of rhetoric? How has she defrauded customers (Trump U)? Can we get a list of the conspiracy theories Hillary promotes?


Wow - I feel like Sanders at the New York debate when they tee him up with the question - "you keep saying Hillary is connected to wall street - describe one situation where this influenced her decision" -- He didn't take a swing, but let me wind up and knock this one out of the park- - in a bit though I'm busy :)
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby mtbturtle on June 2nd, 2016, 7:29 pm 

SciameriKen » Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:21 pm wrote:
mtbturtle » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:33 pm wrote:I find it funny you thought I meant it as a good thing. If those are the only two alternatives you can come up with, I think you are trolling. I would go with the rightwing hate machine grew up based on Clinton hating. You might stop to consider how 30+ years of exposure to this has affected your views of Hillary Clinton.


I am confused then - I often see it espoused like it is a great thing that Hillary is vetted in this way. Your explanation does not cover the fact that the 20 or so "Scandals" do have some truth behind them. Some more truth than others. It seems people fall into either two camps - 1) its all BS or 2) its all truth. My explanation puts a third option out there - that Clinton flirts with danger.

Tell me about some of Hillary's hate mongering and how she mainstream this kind of rhetoric? How has she defrauded customers (Trump U)? Can we get a list of the conspiracy theories Hillary promotes?


Wow - I feel like Sanders at the New York debate when they tee him up with the question - "you keep saying Hillary is connected to wall street - describe one situation where this influenced her decision" -- He didn't take a swing, but let me wind up and knock this one out of the park- - in a bit though I'm busy :)


I would have thought such examples should be plentiful and easy to come up with given that they are both equal.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby SciameriKen on June 3rd, 2016, 9:31 am 

mtbturtle » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:29 pm wrote:
SciameriKen » Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:21 pm wrote:
mtbturtle » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:33 pm wrote:I find it funny you thought I meant it as a good thing. If those are the only two alternatives you can come up with, I think you are trolling. I would go with the rightwing hate machine grew up based on Clinton hating. You might stop to consider how 30+ years of exposure to this has affected your views of Hillary Clinton.


I am confused then - I often see it espoused like it is a great thing that Hillary is vetted in this way. Your explanation does not cover the fact that the 20 or so "Scandals" do have some truth behind them. Some more truth than others. It seems people fall into either two camps - 1) its all BS or 2) its all truth. My explanation puts a third option out there - that Clinton flirts with danger.

Tell me about some of Hillary's hate mongering and how she mainstream this kind of rhetoric? How has she defrauded customers (Trump U)? Can we get a list of the conspiracy theories Hillary promotes?


Wow - I feel like Sanders at the New York debate when they tee him up with the question - "you keep saying Hillary is connected to wall street - describe one situation where this influenced her decision" -- He didn't take a swing, but let me wind up and knock this one out of the park- - in a bit though I'm busy :)


I would have thought such examples should be plentiful and easy to come up with given that they are both equal.


I'll let you read this while you await my pending response:
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... -of-vision

Great take on Hillary's situation right now - plus - an endless library of political cartoons -- I wish I had more time :)
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby mtbturtle on June 3rd, 2016, 7:31 pm 

SciameriKen » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:31 am wrote:
mtbturtle » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:29 pm wrote:[quote="SciameriKen » Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:21 pm"

I find it funny you thought I meant it as a good thing. If those are the only two alternatives you can come up with, I think you are trolling. I would go with the rightwing hate machine grew up based on Clinton hating. You might stop to consider how 30+ years of exposure to this has affected your views of Hillary Clinton.


I am confused then - I often see it espoused like it is a great thing that Hillary is vetted in this way. Your explanation does not cover the fact that the 20 or so "Scandals" do have some truth behind them. Some more truth than others. It seems people fall into either two camps - 1) its all BS or 2) its all truth. My explanation puts a third option out there - that Clinton flirts with danger.

Tell me about some of Hillary's hate mongering and how she mainstream this kind of rhetoric? How has she defrauded customers (Trump U)? Can we get a list of the conspiracy theories Hillary promotes?


Wow - I feel like Sanders at the New York debate when they tee him up with the question - "you keep saying Hillary is connected to wall street - describe one situation where this influenced her decision" -- He didn't take a swing, but let me wind up and knock this one out of the park- - in a bit though I'm busy :)


I would have thought such examples should be plentiful and easy to come up with given that they are both equal.[/quote]

I'll let you read this while you await my pending response:
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... -of-vision

Great take on Hillary's situation right now - plus - an endless library of political cartoons -- I wish I had more time :)[/quote]

SciAmeriKen,
please tell us what Trump's vision is? Buil a wall , eliminatiate Mexicans and Muslims, bom their family members.... dangerous and a fraud.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby hyksos on June 3rd, 2016, 10:13 pm 

Braininvat » June 2nd, 2016, 8:07 pm wrote:Hillary's coronation is coming and there's no way to stop it. Superdelegates were specifically instituted to PREVENT a popular insurgent candidate from storming the ramparts and ravaging the Party establishment.

Hillary is the most entrenched Democrat. She has too many friends inside the party to lose. Remember also that Bernie was an Independent (I) for nearly 3 decades, which is not helping him.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby mtbturtle on June 4th, 2016, 7:43 pm 

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-next-president-of-united-states.html

internals links to sources in above link.

Remember folks Clinton is just the same as Trump - they are equivalents. Still waiting SciAmeriKen.


Clinton laid out a long list of outrageous comments by Donald Trump in her speech yesterday. They are all true:

This is a man who said that more countries should have nuclear weapons, including Saudi Arabia.

ANDERSON COOPER: Saudi Arabia, nuclear weapons?

TRUMP: Saudi Arabia, absolutely.

This is someone who has threatened to abandon our allies in NATO – the countries that work with us to root out terrorists abroad before the strike us at home.

TRUMP: “We don't really need NATO in its current form. NATO is obsolete… if we have to walk, we walk.”

He believes we can treat the U.S. economy like one of his casinos and default on our debts to the rest of the world, which would cause an economic catastrophe far worse than anything we experienced in 2008.

TRUMP: “I’ve borrowed knowing that you can pay back with discounts... I would borrow knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal.”

He has said that he would order our military to carry out torture...

TRUMP: “Don’t tell me it doesn’t work — torture works… Waterboarding is fine, but it’s not nearly tough enough, ok?”

and the murder of civilians who are related to suspected terrorists...

TRUMP: "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families”

even though those are war crimes.

TRUMP: “They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse me, If I say do it, they’re going to do it.”

He says he doesn’t have to listen to our generals or ambassadors, because he has – quote – “a very good brain.”

TRUMP: “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things...my primary consultant is myself”

He also said, “I know more about ISIS than the generals, believe me.”

TRUMP: “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.”

You know what? I don’t believe him.

TRUMP: “We don't even really know who the leader [of ISIS] is.”

He believes climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese...

TRUMP: “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

and has the gall to say prisoners of war like John McCain aren’t heroes.

TRUMP: “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured, ok? I hate to tell you.”

He praises dictators like Vladimir Putin...

TRUMP: "I will tell you, in terms of leadership, he's getting an 'A,' and our president is not doing so well.”

and picks fights with our friends – including the British prime minister…

TRUMP: "It looks like we are not going to have a very good relationship. Who knows?"

the mayor of London…

TRUMP: "Let's take an I.Q. test... I think they're very rude statements and frankly, tell him, I will remember those statements."

the German chancellor…

TRUMP: “What Merkel has done is incredible, it’s actually mind boggling. Everyone thought she was a really great leader and now she’s turned out to be this catastrophic leader. And she’ll be out if they don’t have a revolution.”

the president of Mexico…

TRUMP: “I don't know about the Hitler comparison [President Nieto made]. I hadn't heard that, but it's a terrible comparison. I'm not happy about that certainly. I don't want that comparison, but we have to be strong and we have to be vigilant”

and the Pope.

TRUMP: “I don’t think [the Pope] understands the danger of the open border that we have with Mexico. I think Mexico got him to [criticize the wall] it because they want to keep the border just the way it is. They’re making a fortune, and we’re losing.”

He says he has foreign policy experience because he ran the Miss Universe pageant in Russia.

TRUMP: “I know Russia well. I had a major event in Russia two or three years ago, Miss Universe contest, which was a big, big, incredible event.”

And to top it off, he believes America is weak. An embarrassment.

TRUMP: "I think we've become very weak and ineffective."

He called our military a disaster.

TRUMP: “Our military is a disaster.”

He said we’re – quote – a “third-world country.”

TRUMP: “We have become a third world country, folks.”

That’s why it’s no small thing when he talks about leaving NATO or says he’ll stay neutral on Israel’s security.

TRUMP: “Let me be sort of a neutral guy.”

It’s no small thing when he calls Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers.

TRUMP: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

And it’s no small thing when he suggests that America should withdraw our military support for Japan, encourage them to get nuclear weapons...

TRUMP: “And frankly, the case could be made, that let them protect themselves against North Korea. They’d probably wipe them out pretty quick.”

and said this about a war between Japan and North Korea – and I quote – “If they do, they do. Good luck, enjoy yourself, folks.”

TRUMP: “And if they fight, you know what, that would be a terrible thing, terrible. Good luck folks, enjoy yourself…if they do, they do”

Donald Trump doesn’t know the first thing about Iran or its nuclear program. Ask him. It’ll become clear very quickly.

TRUMP: “When those restrictions expire, Iran will have an industrial-size military nuclear capability ready to go." (Politifact: False.)

There’s no risk of people losing their lives if you blow up a golf-course deal. But it doesn’t work like that in world affairs. Just like being interviewed on the same episode of “60 Minutes” as Putin is not the same as actually dealing with Putin.

TRUMP: “I got to know him very well, because we were both on 60 minutes, we were stablemates and we did very well that night. You know that.”

He wants to start a trade war with China.

TRUMP: "These dummies say, 'Oh, that's a trade war. Trade war? We're losing $500 billion in trade with China. Who the hell cares if there's a trade war?”

And I have to say, I don’t understand Donald’s bizarre fascination with dictators and strongmen who have no love for America. He praised China for the Tiananmen Square massacre; he said it showed strength.

TRUMP: “When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength."

He said, “You’ve got to give Kim Jong Un credit” for taking over North Korea – something he did by murdering everyone he saw as a threat, including his own uncle, which Donald described gleefully, like he was recapping an action movie.

TRUMP: "And you've got to give him credit. How many young guys — he was like 26 or 25 when his father died — take over these tough generals…. It's incredible. He wiped out the uncle. He wiped out this one, that one. I mean, this guy doesn't play games.”

And he said that, if he were grading Vladimir Putin as a leader, he’d give him an A.

TRUMP: "I will tell you, in terms of leadership, he's getting an 'A,'

What’s Trump’s [ISIS plan]? He won’t say. He is literally keeping it a secret. The secret, of course, is he has no idea what he’d do to stop ISIS.

TRUMP: “I do know what to do and I would know how to bring ISIS to the table or beyond that, defeat ISIS very quickly and I’m not going to tell you what is… All I can tell you it is a foolproof way of winning.”

Just look at the few things he actually has said on the subject. He actually said – quote – “maybe Syria should be a free zone for ISIS.” That’s right – let a terrorist group have control of a major country in the Middle East.

TRUMP: It's really rather amazing, maybe Syria should be a free zone for ISIS, let them fight and then you pick up the remnants.

Then he said we should send tens of thousands of American ground troops to the Middle East to fight ISIS.

TRUMP: "We really have no choice. We have to knock out ISIS. We have to knock the hell out of them… I would listen to the generals but I'm hearing numbers of 20,000 to 30,000. We have to knock them out fast."

He also refused to rule out using nuclear weapons against ISIS, which would mean mass civilian casualties.

TRUMP: “I’m never going to rule anything out—I wouldn’t want to say [if I’d use nuclear weapons against ISIS.]”

Trump says over and over again, “The world is laughing at us.” He’s been saying this for decades.

TRUMP (1999): "[Saudi Arabians] take such advantage of us with the oil... and they laugh at this country.

TRUMP (2010): "I know many of the people in China, I know many of the big business people, and they're laughing at us.”

TRUMP (2011): “We have become a laughingstock, the world’s whipping boy”

TRUMP (2012): “The world is laughing at us."

TRUMP (2013): “After Syria, our enemies are laughing!”

TRUMP (2014): “Mexican leadership has been laughing at us for many years”

TRUMP (2015): “The Persians are great negotiators. They are laughing at the stupidity of the deal we’re making”

TRUMP (2016): “We can't afford to be so nice and so foolish anymore. Our country is in trouble. ISIS is laughing at us.”

He bought full-page ads in newspapers across the country back in 1987, when Reagan was President, saying that America lacked a backbone and the world was – you guessed it – laughing at us.

TRUMP (1987): "The world is laughing at America's politicians as we protect ships we don't own, carrying oil we don't need, destined for allies who won't help… "Let's not let our great country be laughed at anymore."

And it matters when he makes fun of disabled people...

TRUMP: “Now the poor guy -- you oughta see this guy [imitating disabled reporter] ‘aaah, I don’t know what I said, aaah, I don’t remember.’”

calls women pigs...

TRUMP: “Does everybody know that pig named Rosie O’Donnell? She’s a disgusting pig, right?”

proposes banning an entire religion from our country...

TRUMP: “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”

or plays coy with white supremacists.

TRUMP: "I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So I don't know. I don't know -- did he endorse me, or what's going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists."

There are a lot of other horrifying things he's said as well, including the truly stunning credo "Your civil liberties end where our safety begins." (And he was talking about applying the death penalty to five people who later turned out to be innocent.)

You could go on for days with this stuff.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 4th, 2016, 8:25 pm 

http://drudgereport.com/flashss.html I understand the White House Secret Service agents couldn't stand Hillary, and I can't wait to read it!

I also understand she was rather nasty to the military people who were stationed at the White House, and did not want them to wear their military uniforms in her presence!(anti-military radical left "Hillary the Hippy")
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby BioWizard on June 4th, 2016, 11:06 pm 

ronjanec » 04 Jun 2016 07:25 pm wrote:and did not want them to wear their military uniforms in her presence!(anti-military radical left "Hillary the Hippy")


What exactly is bad about that? If that's what people are reaching for, one might conclude that they got nothin.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 5th, 2016, 12:21 am 

BioWizard » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:06 pm wrote:
ronjanec » 04 Jun 2016 07:25 pm wrote:and did not want them to wear their military uniforms in her presence!(anti-military radical left "Hillary the Hippy")


What exactly is bad about that? If that's what people are reaching for, one might conclude that they got nothin.


It probably shows a deep-seated dislike and contempt for people in the military that was established way back in her college and anti-military hippy days. She would have probably (and glady) joined in with those other disgusting losers who spit on our soldiers who were returning from the Vietnam War at the same time that she was in college.

And she now wants to be Commander-in-Chief of our nation's military who she probably still has no great love for? No thanks BioWizard. Ex-military people like myself have no use for people like her who do not always treat our military people with the proper respect that they have earned and deserve.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby BioWizard on June 5th, 2016, 7:23 am 

Sorry ron, but that's too speculative. Being against militarization of certain locations/events/situations does not imply the things you're suggesting. Just like being for the separation of church and state doesn't mean you hate jesus, or the state.

What's really boring for me in these debates is that the arguments leveraged against hillary by the pro-Trumps are frequently aimed at some speculative caricature of her, while the arguments presented in defense of Trump turn a deeply blind eye to the caricature that IS in reality him. Ok, so you don't want an establishment politician, you want a capricious clown in the whitehouse. Fine, but at least have the balls to own up to it in your arguments.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby mtbturtle on June 5th, 2016, 7:58 am 

ronjanec » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:25 pm wrote:[racist link source removed]I understand the White House Secret Service agents couldn't stand Hillary, and I can't wait to read it!

I also understand she was rather nasty to the military people who were stationed at the White House, and did not want them to wear their military uniforms in her presence!(anti-military radical left "Hillary the Hippy")


Hate smears lies and fear what would we expect from the cesspool that is the modern mind of the racist Republican Party. Hillary is a hawk not a peacenick But I'll take a Hippy over dangerous donny
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby BioWizard on June 5th, 2016, 8:27 am 

Maybe if we leave the smearish comments for a bit (those won't change anybody's mind about anything), and try to examine the validity of the appeal of the candidate, things would be more productibe. Because if you say Trump is dangerous, and some people find that appealing, then calling him dangerous isn't serving its goal.

I've seen pro-Trumpers suggest that having a capricious dangerous man in the whitehouse will balance out the capricious leaders of US enemy countries, and somehow bring the US more leverage in any dealings with those countries. Is this a reasonable thing to conclude? How will Trump create that outcome? At what price? The Zap Brannigan way?



I've also seen pro-Trumpers suggest that since he did everything he could as a business man to serve himself and his companies to the detrimant of the Americam people before he was president, that he would shift his priorities and use the same tactics to serve America and the American people if/when he becomes president. Is this a reasonable thing to conclude? Or is it more reasonable to conclude that he will continue to serve only himself and his corporations? Of equal importance, how applicable are his business tactics to international politics and running a country?
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby mtbturtle on June 5th, 2016, 8:33 am 

ronjanec » Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:21 pm wrote:
BioWizard » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:06 pm wrote:
ronjanec » 04 Jun 2016 07:25 pm wrote:and did not want them to wear their military uniforms in her presence!(anti-military radical left "Hillary the Hippy")


What exactly is bad about that? If that's what people are reaching for, one might conclude that they got nothin.


It probably shows a deep-seated dislike and contempt for people in the military that was established way back in her college and anti-military hippy days. She would have probably (and glady) joined in with those other disgusting losers who spit on our soldiers who were returning from the Vietnam War at the same time that she was in college.

And she now wants to be Commander-in-Chief of our nation's military who she probably still has no great love for? No thanks BioWizard. Ex-military people like myself have no use for people like her who do not always treat our military people with the proper respect that they have earned and deserve.


ALWAYS treat with proper respect they have earned and deserve??? You mean the way Donnie respected John McCain? is that what you have in mind ron?
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby BioWizard on June 5th, 2016, 9:58 am 

It's only as it suits business mtbturtle. No consistent ethics or moral codes here - just good business.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 5th, 2016, 10:40 am 

BioWizard » Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:23 am wrote:Sorry ron, but that's too speculative. Being against militarization of certain locations/events/situations does not imply the things you're suggesting. Just like being for the separation of church and state doesn't mean you hate jesus, or the state.

What's really boring for me in these debates is that the arguments leveraged against hillary by the pro-Trumps are frequently aimed at some speculative charicature of her, while the arguments presented in defense of Trump turn a deeply blind eye to the charicature that IS in reality him. Ok, so you don't want an establishment politician, you want a capricious clown in the whitehouse. Fine, but at least have the balls to own up to it in your arguments.


'that's too speculative"? Ok, but it does suggest this on her part, and I cannot remember any other First Ladies ever being reported having a problem with people proudly wearing their military uniforms in their presence.

What we need is an explanation on why she did this, and hopefully the new book may provide an answer for this.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 5th, 2016, 10:47 am 

mtbturtle » Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:58 am wrote:
ronjanec » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:25 pm wrote:[racist link source removed]I understand the White House Secret Service agents couldn't stand Hillary, and I can't wait to read it!

I also understand she was rather nasty to the military people who were stationed at the White House, and did not want them to wear their military uniforms in her presence!(anti-military radical left "Hillary the Hippy")


Hate smears lies and fear what would we expect from the cesspool that is the modern mind of the racist Republican Party. Hillary is a hawk not a peacenick But I'll take a Hippy over dangerous donny


http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-ser ... work-with/ Lies mtbturtle? All the people who are saying these things are "liars"? Hillary sounds like the boss's wife from Hell!
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby TheVat on June 5th, 2016, 11:29 am 

I call objections like this the Beethoven Piss problem. Beethoven reportedly, while composing in his flat, would relieve himself in a corner rather than venture to the building's privy. The floorboards rotted away. Question: do we care, does it diminish the Pathetique sonata or the 9th Symphony? Anyone boycotting symphony halls or recitals?

Similarly, we have a report that HRC told a SS agent to bleep off. Do we care? Will this affect negotiations with foreign nations, the crafting of domestic policy, decision-making in moments of crisis, etc?

This is Beethoven piss, in the key of G what a jerk but so what. Politicians of every stripe are known to be cranky with SS people who watch their every move. I'd probably be, too.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 5th, 2016, 11:40 am 

Braininvat » Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:29 am wrote:I call objections like this the Beethoven Piss problem. Beethoven reportedly, while composing in his flat, would relieve himself in a corner rather than venture to the building's privy. The floorboards rotted away. Question: do we care, does it diminish the Pathetique sonata or the 9th Symphony? Anyone boycotting symphony halls or recitals?

Similarly, we have a report that HRC told a SS agent to bleep off. Do we care? Will this affect negotiations with foreign nations, the crafting of domestic policy, decision-making in moments of crisis, etc?

This is Beethoven piss, in the key of G what a jerk but so what. Politicians of every stripe are known to be cranky with SS people who watch their every move. I'd probably be, too.


Yes, the poor woman is very obviously misunderstood Biv, and not the really nasty person she is being accused of. Who cares about the personal character of someone who may be our next President right? Were you squeezing your nostrils when you wrote this post? :)
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby Natural ChemE on June 5th, 2016, 12:00 pm 

ronjanec » June 5th, 2016, 9:47 am wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/ Lies mtbturtle? All the people who are saying these things are "liars"?

That story was promoted on Google News; I'd read it too.

It's a weird story because Hillary has voted for military intervention more often than not, and she seems to be pretty pro-military in her voting record and political stance. So, I was curious if the reporter, Deroy Murdock, was credible. Here's a list of his recent publications at the NY Post. One of his more notable pieces was Chill Out on Climate Hysteria (2008).

Most of the stories I can find about Hillary describe her as socially awkward, uncomfortable in front of the media, highly scripted in public, and pretty robotic in private. So, it seems that there is a widely held perception that her social mannerisms are a bit off. Also, Hillary's PR people seem manipulative to the point that it's creepy.

But, as for actually hating the military, all I've found so far Murdock's piece. Given Murdock's history of writing smear pieces and Hillary's pro-military voting record, his claims sound sketchy to me.

PS - Crisis of Character: A White House Secret Service Officer Discloses His Firsthand Experience with Hillary, Bill, and How They Operate, Gary J. Byrne, is available for pre-order, to be released on June 28th. It's currently Amazon.com's #1 best seller - I guess a behind-the-scenes book about a presidential candidate's bound to make some money!
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby BioWizard on June 5th, 2016, 12:30 pm 

How anybody advocating Trump can be using "nastiness/crackiness/disrespect/etc" to argue against any other human being beats the hell out of me.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby BioWizard on June 5th, 2016, 12:42 pm 

People don't criticize Trump's personality antics because they are not fond of him as a person. They criticize them because they believe that such behavioral trends can be very dangerous for both internal and external politics. If you disagree with that assessment, then you should demonstrate how it's not the case, and how Trump won't just create a disaster after disaster. Speak to his qualifications (if any), and his plans (again, if any). Don't do it by arguing that Hillary is socially incompetent or once hurt a SS agent's feelings. That's childish and hypocritical - Trump has everybody beat there.

And by the way, for anybody who finds the idea of having a racist, egotistical, capricious, unqualified, financially driven man in charge of a country appealing, I encourage them to go experience life for a couple of months in one such country. You'll quickly find out that maybe you haven't thought your position through well enough, or far enough. It only works for you if you're directly serving him and are on his payroll.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby BioWizard on June 5th, 2016, 12:54 pm 

In other words ron, people don't "hate" Trump inasmuch as they're >afraid< of what they think he might do. If you wish to be more productive in your stance, you need to address that. If you think that attacking Hillary will somehow change their minds, you're wrong. It's only making them fear your candidate more, because it gives the impression that the kind of people who support him are mostly operating on hate and fear mongering. I see so many people leaning towards HC out of sheer fear of the damage they believe DT will cause them and the country. And you're only justifying and entrenching their fears. Most people don't like bullies.

Get what I'm saying here? Just trying to help.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 5th, 2016, 1:35 pm 

Natural ChemE » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:00 am wrote:
ronjanec » June 5th, 2016, 9:47 am wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/ Lies mtbturtle? All the people who are saying these things are "liars"?

That story was promoted on Google News; I'd read it too.

It's a weird story because Hillary has voted for military intervention more often than not, and she seems to be pretty pro-military in her voting record and political stance. So, I was curious if the reporter, Deroy Murdock, was credible. Here's a list of his recent publications at the NY Post. One of his more notable pieces was Chill Out on Climate Hysteria (2008).

Most of the stories I can find about Hillary describe her as socially awkward, uncomfortable in front of the media, highly scripted in public, and pretty robotic in private. So, it seems that there is a widely held perception that her social mannerisms are a bit off. Also, Hillary's PR people seem manipulative to the point that it's creepy.

But, as for actually hating the military, all I've found so far Murdock's piece. Given Murdock's history of writing smear pieces and Hillary's pro-military voting record, his claims sound sketchy to me.

PS - Crisis of Character: A White House Secret Service Officer Discloses His Firsthand Experience with Hillary, Bill, and How They Operate, Gary J. Byrne, is available for pre-order, to be released on June 28th. It's currently Amazon.com's #1 best seller - I guess a behind-the-scenes book about a presidential candidate's bound to make some money!


A #1 best seller already!? I guess that just shows how many of us our gossips at heart right NCE?("Not myself and you of course") :)
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 5th, 2016, 2:05 pm 

BioWizard » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:54 am wrote:In other words ron, people don't "hate" Trump inasmuch as they're >afraid< of what they think he might do. If you wish to be more productive in your stance, you need to address that. If you think that attacking Hillary will somehow change their minds, you're wrong. It's only making them fear your candidate more, because it gives the impression that the kind of people who support him are mostly operating on hate and fear mongering. I see so many people leaning towards HC out of sheer fear of the damage they believe DT will cause them and the country. And you're only justifying and entrenching their fears. Most people don't like bullies.

Get what I'm saying here? Just trying to help.


Bio, I am as always just trying to add a conservative perspective to the political comments here on the forum(I am the exact opposite of most of you in this, and in many other important ways), and know many of you too well to think that my comments about Trump will get any of you to actually change your minds about not voting for him.
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 5th, 2016, 2:12 pm 

BioWizard » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:30 am wrote:How anybody advocating Trump can be using "nastiness/crackiness/disrespect/etc" to argue against any other human being beats the hell out of me.


You were obviously never a salesman... :)
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby BioWizard on June 5th, 2016, 4:47 pm 

ronjanec » 05 Jun 2016 01:12 pm wrote:
BioWizard » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:30 am wrote:How anybody advocating Trump can be using "nastiness/crackiness/disrespect/etc" to argue against any other human being beats the hell out of me.


You were obviously never a salesman... :)


I have been, actually. And you're not being a good salesman, cause we're clearly not a-"buyin it".
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 5th, 2016, 7:03 pm 

BioWizard » Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:47 pm wrote:
ronjanec » 05 Jun 2016 01:12 pm wrote:
BioWizard » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:30 am wrote:How anybody advocating Trump can be using "nastiness/crackiness/disrespect/etc" to argue against any other human being beats the hell out of me.


You were obviously never a salesman... :)


I have been, actually. And you're not being a good salesman, cause we're clearly not a-"buyin it".


Yeah, I have to admit that many of you at least appear to not be "buyin it", but who knows how many of you are now "in the closet" in regards to very reluctantly supporting Trump off the forum with Bernie probably out of the running?
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby BioWizard on June 5th, 2016, 7:13 pm 

I'm almost certain it's less of us, compared to before when you started posting about it ;)
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby ronjanec on June 5th, 2016, 8:18 pm 

BioWizard » Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:13 pm wrote:I'm almost certain it's less of us, compared to before when you started posting about it ;)


You sure know how to hurt a guy... :)
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Re: Who's supporting Clinton?

Postby Natural ChemE on June 5th, 2016, 10:13 pm 

ronjanec,

Now watch as I convert everyone to my first choice, Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party. I'll have the entire forum voting for him!
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