Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby TheVat on September 10th, 2020, 10:22 am 

(more on this whistle-blower story) (see previous page)

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/91118841 ... mps-claims

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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby charon on September 10th, 2020, 10:57 am 

I was just reading about that. Not surprising, but then I suspect we're desensitised by now. It's become 'normal'.
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Mossling on September 27th, 2020, 10:10 pm 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... bert-reich
if he loses the election, Trump will not accept the result because it would be the product of Anti-Trump Nation, and Trump isn’t the president of people who would vote against him. As he recently claimed, “The only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged.”

In the warped minds of Trump and his acolytes, this could lead to civil war. Just this week he refused to commit to a peaceful transition of power. His consigliere Roger Stone urges him to declare “martial law” if he loses. Michael Caputo, assistant secretary of public affairs at the Department of Health and Human Services, warns “the shooting will begin” when Trump refuses to go.

Civil war is unlikely, but the weeks and perhaps months after election day will surely be fraught. Even if Trump is ultimately forced to relinquish power, his core adherents will continue to view him as their leader. If he retains power, many if not most Americans will consider his presidency illegitimate.

So whatever happens, Trump’s megalomaniacal ego will prevail. America will have come apart over him, and Trump Nation will have seceded from Anti-Trump Nation.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... y-findings
“In the 1990s, Mr Trump nearly ruined himself by personally guaranteeing hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, and he has since said that he regretted doing so. But he has taken the same step again, his tax records show. He appears to be responsible for loans totaling $421m, most of which is coming due within four years.”

In a blunt summary of the problem, the Times speculated: “Should he win re-election, his lenders could be placed in the unprecedented position of weighing whether to foreclose on a sitting president.”
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Serpent on September 27th, 2020, 10:39 pm 

" Après moi, le déluge."
Used to express selfish disregard for problems that may occur in the future, especially after one's death or reign of control. This French phrase literally means, "After me, the flood." Attributed to both King Louis XV and his mistress Madame de Pompadour, the phrase likely refers to (and foreshadows) the difficulties that would befall France after years of the aristocracy's lavish living.

In this case, it's literal.
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby TheVat on September 28th, 2020, 9:34 am 

More details in the New York Times story...

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/27/91756614 ... l-income-t
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby TheVat on September 30th, 2020, 7:32 pm 

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2020/9/3 ... in-NYTimes

Trump’s effort to undermine this country’s greatest democratic asset—its free election process—by urging his supporters to question the electoral results with the implicit condonement of violence if the results are not to his liking, may have been one small step of mere verbal spew for Trump, but it was a giant leap towards a Putin-flavored autocracy. As historian Michael Beschloss, interviewed for Sanger’s article, observes, “This is the kind of thing we have preached to other countries that they should not do. It reeks of autocracy, not democracy.”

If this were simply an accident of Trump’s personal interests aligning with Putin’s with regard to the 2020 election, then Trump’s effort last night to raise false doubts about “voter fraud,” preemptively declaring an election which he is increasingly likely to lose as illegitimate, and pledging to use all available means to overturn any result that does not lead to his own reinstatement-- while reprehensible and disqualifying-- would not rise to the level of outright treachery.

But that is not how our own intelligence agencies are viewing Trump’s performance. As Sanger reports, they see his behavior as deliberate, and his statements (possibly) as an intentional signal to Putin to amplify Russian disinformation efforts directed against American citizens. According to Sanger (who chooses his words carefully here), U.S. intelligence distinctly sees a coded conduit of communication between this president and Russian intelligence, specifically raising concerns in the intelligence community “that Mr. Trump’s rant about a fraudulent vote may have been intended for more than just a domestic audience.”
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby toucana on September 30th, 2020, 9:43 pm 

One peculiar aspect of the Trump 2020 re-election campaign is the recent wholesale cancellation of its paid-for TV campaign advertising in key swing states:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-14/trump-campaign-slashes-ad-spending-in-key-states-in-cash-crunch

The most recent cancellations were in Ohio and Iowa which are both states that Trump needs to win.

This makes so little sense when the incumbent is up to 8% behind the challenger in many polls, and with under 40 days left until election day, that many analysts are now casting around for explanations.

One observer on the Twitter thread of Medium Buying which specialises in analysing campaign advert placements noted that Iowa has a GOP legislature who will appoint his elector slate, he doesn’t need votes in Iowa he only needs to win the court case.

https://twitter.com/MediumBuying/status/1310590791832797184

Another possibility is that the Trump campaign is already flat broke. Back in early August, Politico reported that Trump had alienated Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, one of the GOP’s biggest megadonors. During a heated phone call Trump asked for a larger donation than the one offered, and successfully provoked Adelson into cutting off his funding altogether.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/08/trump-antagonizes-sheldon-adelson-phone-call-392688

Additional support for this emerged yesterday in a story carried on the Daily Mail website, that former campaign manager Brad Parscale who was recently arrested after barricading himself inside his house and threatening to commit suicide is now being accused by GOP sources of having misappropriated up to $40m of Trump campaign funds, and of having stolen another $10m from the RNC.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8791427/Ex-Trump-campaign-manager-Brad-Parscale-threatened-shoot-cops-say.html

A more sinister possibility however appears in another story published by Politico which says that the Trump campaign has been shifting funds into recruiting thousands of attorneys in order to contest the ballots in the immediate aftermath of election night.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/27/trump-legal-network-election-day-fight-422035

There must now be a very real fear that Trump has already abandoned attempts to win the 2020 presidential election in any honest fashion - he already knows he will lose. But has he also now abandoned any intention of conceding defeat either ?

Trump may well be counting on creating unprecedented levels of confusion and uncertainty about the result by making specious accusations of fraud and launching tendentious legal actions across the board. He might then plan to declare a state of ‘emergency’ and remain in power in defiance of the constitution.

Trump might actually believe that he could then rubber-stamp and consolidate this coup by appealing to and leveraging the SCOTUS with the help of his latest appointee.This would be in line with both the Vladimir Putin model of autocracy followed in Russia, and that of Viktor Orbán in Hungary as well.
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Serpent on September 30th, 2020, 10:26 pm 

Trump may well be counting on creating unprecedented levels of confusion and uncertainty about the result by making specious accusations of fraud and launching tendentious legal actions across the board.

Hence the rush to get his tame Supreme Court... but they haven't been as tame lately as he's like.
He might then plan to declare a state of ‘emergency’ and remain in power in defiance of the constitution.

Of course. That's what all that grandstanding over the BLM protests was a dress rehearsal for.
He never had any intention of conceding a legitimate loss. He's been preparing for an illegitimate seizure of power for some time - possibly since his (dubious) election.
It is to that end - not from any personal feelings about anyone's ethnicity - that he's been cultivating the heavily armed and very aggressive white supremacist and right lunatic fringe. That is also why he won't say against them now: they redhat brigades are his personal army.

They're going to be at the polling stations, intimidating, and probably attacking Democtratic voters. Nothing new there. The attacks on the mail-in ballot was orchestrated well ahead of time.
But the martial law option is on stand-by - as are the thugs prepared to stage the requisite rioting, burning and looting.

There is no way this won't be horrible ---
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby BadgerJelly on October 1st, 2020, 6:06 am 

Has anyone actually considered that he may WANT to lose. After all he can run again, right? Don’t forget that. Don’t assume he’s a moron either - he ‘appears’ to be, but that is probably the whole point.

Also, as the polls look pretty much the same as they were versus Hillary could it be argued that Biden winning would actually help solidify Trump’s next campaign (based off his agenda of screaming about voting scams)?

To put it bluntly I don’t see how Trump ‘losses’ unless someone better than Biden is ready to take over. Bernie was the best option imo ... they messed up though. That said Bernie still has a decent amount of influence so perhaps he’ll be listened to more closely and instigate some decent changes.

GL out there :)
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby toucana on October 1st, 2020, 9:23 am 

Has anyone actually considered that he may WANT to lose.

Why would Trump *want* to lose, when right now, being the incumbent president is the only thing preventing him from being indicted on dozens of federal and state level felony charges ?

Trump is currently being protected by a manifestly corrupt AG William Barr, and by a deeply suspect OLC (Office of Legal Counsel) memorandum issued some years ago by the DOJ which suggests that a sitting president is ‘immune’ from criminal indictment because it would conflict with Article II of the Constitution.

If Trump loses the 2020 presidential election then that OLC protection will vanish, and his life will then be over as of 20th January 2021. Both he and his entire family will be susceptible to multiple criminal charges - incuding his daughter Ivanka who is now on the hook for IRS tax fraud as well. Trump knows it and he is terrified - and desperate.

Trump and all his criminal associates like VP Mike Pence and AG William Barr may try to play ‘Pass The Pardon’ on the way out of the door, but it it simply won’t work. Apart from anything else, state level criminal charges can’t be pardoned by the executive branch of federal government. Trump will probably be bankrupt in short order as his creditors close in, and may well spend the rest of his life in jail.

After all he can run again, right?

Technically yes he can. But there are certain practical difficulties involved in mounting a presidential campaign as a convicted felon from inside a penitentiary cell.

Also, as the polls look pretty much the same as they were versus Hillary could it be argued that Biden winning would actually help solidify Trump’s next campaign

What polls are you looking at ? The well respected fivethirtyeight.com and numerous other pollsters put Biden with an 8% lead over Trump.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

Hillary Clinton only ever had a 3% lead at best in 2016.
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby BadgerJelly on October 2nd, 2020, 1:58 am 

Give that the % doesn’t reflect the reality of the situation in terms of seats, and that the polls last time were at cetain points off by 140 seats, I wouldn’t bother reading too much into it.

Also, I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that the legal system provides justice (especially when people are able to pay their way out of trouble).

I’m sure Trump was ready to lose in the first election and had a longterm plan. It looks like he’s just repeating his initial strategy of questioning the validity of the vote - as he was prior to election against Clinton. Pile this on top of anyone coming in to replace Trump having to do a decent job in a poor situation, they’re effectively putting a target on their back for Trump to take shots at (lies or not doesn’t matter; sadly).

The failure is in the democratic party. The failure is in a system where only two choices are possible. The failure is in comedic campaigning that looks like pure satire to anyone in europe (that has been the case for decades).

The issue as I see it, is that too many Americans delude themselves into thinking their president isn’t a reflection of the their country ... sorry, that doesn’t follow. Politically apathy serves the despots of the world and sadly the most vulnerable will inevitably suffer more than those that could’ve stood for their personal principles rather than kowtow.

I think this will go two ways for the US. Either this will be a wake up call (no signs of that tbh) and lead to a rethink of US society and cultural thought, or this will fizzle out and apathy will return once he’s gone - the longer term result being the US will split up (probably within my lifetime - which would certainly initiate a complete rethink, but would obviously be an extremely precarious position for the world at large).

Note: There is no reason why an amiable split in the US isn’t possible. I may even be encouraged by what happens with the EU - I’m certainly not predicting a civil war in the US. I doubt there are enough insane capable people of pushing for such a thing with any kind of success. It would be difficult to introduce a different system AND keep the army neutral ... that, in my narrow understanding, would be highly problematic for global security not to mention the US.
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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

Postby Mossling on October 2nd, 2020, 11:21 pm 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... 8bfc756663
Secret Service agents reportedly furious at Trump's behavior during pandemic

Secret Service agents almost never complain about the president. It’s “unheard of,” the Washington Post reports. But now, current agents’ frustration at Trump’s behavior during the coronavirus pandemic is seeping out into public view.

“Some currently in the ranks had become convinced during the pandemic that Trump was willing to put his protectors in harm’s way,” the Post reports, noting that some agents feel like he has put the people sworn to protect him in harm’s way.

“He’s never cared about us,” one agent told a friend, the Post reports. Another said in an internal message group: “This administration doesn’t care about the Secret Service.”



https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/t ... cna1239433
Jeffrey Goldberg’s recent article in The Atlantic ... accuses Trump of rejecting a visit to Aisne-Marne American Cemetery and Memorial in France because he feared the rain would mess up his hair. “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers,” Trump reportedly asked. In a separate discussion, the president reportedly referred to Marines killed in World War I during the consequential Battle of Belleau Wood as “suckers.” Trump slammed the accusations as false, but this story and others have now been largely confirmed by several media outlets including Fox News.
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