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weakmagneto » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:51 pm wrote:IMO I think to understand where Trump is coming from in terms of calling out the media as "fake news" we have to follow some of the current conspiracy theories that people like "Alex Jones" preaches that Trump subscribes to. Jones alleges that the "Elite" (globalist bankers who rule the world i.e. the Rothschilds and Rockafellers) own all of the major media outlets and are trying to create a "New World Order" by controlling the banks, world governments and media.
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wolfhnd » February 21st, 2017, 10:33 am wrote:Executive Order—Arrest and Imprisonment of Irresponsible Newspaper Reporters and Editors
May 18, 1864
Major-General John A. Drx,
Commanding at New York:
Whereas there has been wickedly and traitorously printed and published this morning in the New York World and New York Journal of Commerce, newspapers printed and published in the city of New York, a false and spurious proclamation purporting to be signed by the President and to be countersigned by the Secretary of State, which publication is of a treasonable nature, designed to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States and to the rebels now at war against the Government and their aiders and abettors, you are therefore hereby commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison in any fort or military prison in your command the editors, proprietors, and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers, and all such persons as, after public notice has been given of the falsehood of said publication, print and publish the same with intent to give aid and comfort to the enemy; and you will hold the persons so arrested in close custody until they can be brought to trial before a military commission for their offense. You will also take possession by military force of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce, and hold the same until further orders, and prohibit any further publication therefrom.
A. LINCOLN
By mid-May 1864, Lincoln’s patience with the oppositional Copperhead press had begun to fray. What triggered Lincoln’s wrath was a bogus item that appeared in two Copperhead newspapers out of New York — the Journal of Commerce and the World. The papers ran a fake story that reported a presidential proclamation to the effect that the Lincoln administration was about to draft 400,000 men. According to Tedford and Herbeck, “Lincoln ordered the two newspapers closed and their owners arrested and imprisoned. The Independent Telegraph System, which had transmitted the story, was seized by the military and its transmissions stopped.”
Additionally, and as my colleague David L. Hudson Jr. has noted: Sometimes “people were arrested for wearing Confederate buttons and for singing Confederate songs. Editors were arrested, papers closed and correspondents were banned from the fields of battle. A military governor, with the approval of Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, destroyed the office of the Washington, D.C., newspaper, the Sunday Chronicle.”
Lincoln’s governing principle — that a nation must be able to protect itself in wartime against expression that causes insubordination or actually obstructs the raising of armies — was “absolutely opposed,” said Chafee, to the continuation of such practices once “the emergency had passed.” However problematic the actions of the president and his subordinates, at least Lincoln had the good sense to cease censorship once the underlying danger had abated. Source
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weakmagneto » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:52 pm wrote:What the sad part is in this whole situation is that the POTUS reflects the values of you, the Americans, to the rest of the world... When I think of your national symbol of freedom, the Statue of Liberty, it's pretty much just a tourist attraction now. Does it really mean anything anymore? Imagine all of the immigrants from the past who looked upon that statue as a relief from oppression, poverty or from whatever they were escaping from OR a dream of a better life in America. What would they think now of their America?
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Paul Anthony wrote:weakmagneto » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:52 pm wrote:
What the sad part is in this whole situation is that the POTUS reflects the values of you, the Americans, to the rest of the world... When I think of your national symbol of freedom, the Statue of Liberty, it's pretty much just a tourist attraction now. Does it really mean anything anymore? Imagine all of the immigrants from the past who looked upon that statue as a relief from oppression, poverty or from whatever they were escaping from OR a dream of a better life in America. What would they think now of their America?
You have overlooked one salient point. Those immigrants from the past entered the country legally. (My grandparents were among them). Many still do. Until you can recognize the difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration you just might continue to make similar false generalizations.
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Forest_Dump » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:52 pm wrote:
Well cinsidering she is status First Nations, she probably doesn't see much of a difference. They have been plagued by illegal immigrants bringing over their foreign languages, religions and Sharia equivalent legal systems for over 500 years (and of course, having the legal goal posts moved whenever it suited the immigrants).
But of course, we are not really talking about immigrants but rather refugees fleeing war and genocides.
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Paul Anthony » February 22nd, 2017, 9:48 am wrote:But the topic is about Trump and the alleged emerging dictatorship. That seems a bit of an exaggeration, although one frequently repeated by hyperventilating liberals who still can't believe their candidate lost the election. What has he done that a dictator could be expected to do?
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Mossling » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:54 pm wrote:Paul Anthony » February 22nd, 2017, 9:48 am wrote:But the topic is about Trump and the alleged emerging dictatorship. That seems a bit of an exaggeration, although one frequently repeated by hyperventilating liberals who still can't believe their candidate lost the election. What has he done that a dictator could be expected to do?
Are Fox news now included with these "liberals" that you are speaking of?
Is the statue of liberty a "liberal", by the way? ;P
And please note the question mark at the end of the topic title.
You should perhaps save your panic for something that actually warrants it.
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Paul Anthony » February 22nd, 2017, 2:38 pm wrote:Trump is amazing. He has managed to make enemies of both political parties.
Actually, what he has done is angered and frightened the establishment on both sides of the aisle. He is being attacked by everyone who benefits from maintaining the status quo. That's not a very smart way to manage a government, but that's what he was elected to do. It remains to be seen how long he can get away with it.
Paul Anthony » February 22nd, 2017, 4:29 am wrote:A slight shift in focus, from lies told by the media to lies told by the government.
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/our-miserable-21st-century/
There is nothing partisan in this article. The author doesn't point fingers at either Party (refreshing for a change)...
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http://www.unrv.com/decline-of-empire/decline-of-empire.phpNever again would Rome benefit from rulers who had the foresight to understand the stability provided by selective succession and rather allowed personal and dynastic ambitions to play its role in the empire's eventual collapse.
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Mossling » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:27 pm wrote:Lol, I literally cannot get through the whole of this footage of Trump's cabinet meeting, it's just so so so awkward, and is completely something one imagines takes place in places like N. Korea, but in the USA?! Really?! It's like this was scripted by the creators of Southpark or something - so surreal for a modern, developed, democratic western country...
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BadgerJelly » June 17th, 2017, 4:56 pm wrote:I think it is bad if a government is trying to quash free speech. All governments do this to some degree directly or otherwise. Shouldn't we have a clearer line between influencing the extent of free speech and actively employing laws to stop it?
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For there seems to be active obstruction of justice afoot - coming from the POTUS himself - and a narrative is being asserted that suggests the POTUS is beyond such a crime - beyond the law; untouchable.
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BadgerJelly » June 18th, 2017, 4:43 am wrote:For there seems to be active obstruction of justice afoot - coming from the POTUS himself - and a narrative is being asserted that suggests the POTUS is beyond such a crime - beyond the law; untouchable.
Of course he is above the law! All presidents are unless they don't have the backing of the other institutions in place.
Russia has sweet f'all to do with this. It is just a convenient piece of propaganda, a convenient "bogeyman" for the American people to boo and jeer at.
My point was The US is practically a dictatorship already. Just because a nation has opposition to it it doesn't make it a real democracy. If said nation has a long, long history of interfering (sometimes openly) in foreign governing bodies then I am not willing to listen to their whining about others doing the same to them (on a MUCH MUCH smaller scale!)
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