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Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: March 31st, 2019, 1:34 pm
by Serpent
The Vat -- There may be no tech solution, really.


There can't be a tech solution. Every solution becomes somebody else's problem and they invariably solve it; then their solution becomes somebody else's problem and they solve it.

Funny about the full circle of television. In England, and I think other European countries, subscription was the way it began. At that time, everyone had the same programming; very little choice. Now, there is a huge range of product - both in entertainment and educational material. But subscription programming is limited to the content your provider chooses, and you choose the provider who offers the content you prefer. You no longer know what your compatriots are seeing and hearing, which is an impediment to communication, especially among voters. At this moment, what we least need are more divisions among interest blocs or demographics.

Also - speaking as a not particularly manipulable old person - I choose to keep the commercials unmuted. While their repetitiveness is annoying, I have always found them a revealing and interesting window into mainstream attitudes, mores, orientation, concerns and values. They are encapsulated messages: when you intercept one, it tells you a good deal about the sender and the intended recipient. They also, over time, are a good way to track social trends.

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: April 28th, 2019, 4:53 am
by Mossling
In fighting all oversight, Trump has made his most dictatorial move
The Guardian, 28 Apr 2019
“We’re fighting all the subpoenas,” says the person who is supposed to be chief executive of the United States government.

In other words, there is to be no congressional oversight of this administration: no questioning officials who played a role in putting a citizenship question on the 2020 census. No questioning a former White House counsel about the Mueller report.

No questioning a Trump adviser about immigration policy. No questioning a former White House security director about issuances of security clearances.

No presidential tax returns to the ways and means committee, even though a 1920s law specifically authorizes the committee to get them.

Such a blanket edict fits a dictator of a banana republic, not the president of a constitutional republic founded on separation of powers.

If Congress cannot question the people who are making policy, or obtain critical documents, Congress cannot function as a coequal branch of government.

If Congress cannot get information about the executive branch, there is no longer any separation of powers, as sanctified in the US constitution.

There is only one power – the power of the president to rule as he wishes.

Which is what Donald Trump has sought all along.

The only relevant question is how stop this dictatorial move. And let’s be clear: this is a dictatorial move.

The man whose aides cooperated, shall we say, with Russia – the man who still refuses to do anything at all about Russia’s continued interference in the American political system – refuses to cooperate with a branch of the United States government that the Constitution requires him to cooperate with in order that the government function.

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: May 4th, 2019, 3:31 am
by Mossling
William Barr: is his defence of Trump paving the road to tyranny?
The Guardian, 4 May 2019
Barr’s robust defense of a president’s executive authority to end an investigation into himself if he believed the inquiry was “based on false allegations”, alarmed critics of both parties.

“The president does not have to sit there constitutionally and allow it to run its course,” Barr told senators. “The president could terminate that proceeding and it would not be corrupt intent because he was being falsely accused.”

Hillary Clinton warned that Barr’s theory puts the country on a “road to tyranny”.

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: May 6th, 2019, 3:39 pm
by TheVat

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: May 6th, 2019, 4:57 pm
by Serpent
So, like, the president can stop an investigation if the allegation on which it is based is false. So, if that investigation is about him, he's in a position - is the only one in a position to know that it's false. So, the president has a right to shut it down. That makes sense. And, of course, the AG is the only one in a position to know the legality of this. Makes perfect sense.


[Moderator note: The above post is intended as humorous irony, and is not meant to register approval of the president or AG]

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: May 6th, 2019, 11:18 pm
by Mossling
Serpent » May 7th, 2019, 5:57 am wrote:So, like, the president can stop an investigation if the allegation on which it is based is false. So, if that investigation is about him, he's in a position - is the only one in a position to know that it's false. So, the president has a right to shut it down. That makes sense. And, of course, the AG is the only one in a position to know the legality of this. Makes perfect sense.

How is Trump "the only one" to know that the assertion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election is false? That is what the Mueller investigation was looking into - in order to protect US democracy, and its scope included allegations that there were links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government.

Trump tried to shut it down, however, as BIV's link above relates:

Attempts to fire Mueller and then create false evidence

Despite being advised by then-White House Counsel Don McGahn that he could face legal jeopardy for doing so, Trump directed McGahn on multiple occasions to fire Mueller or to gin up false conflicts of interest as a pretext for getting rid of the Special Counsel. When these acts began to come into public view, Trump made “repeated efforts to have McGahn deny the story” — going so far as to tell McGahn to write a letter “for our files” falsely denying that Trump had directed Mueller’s termination.


So, no it doesn't make sense - Trump was not the only one to know whether the allegations were false or not. And once it became clear that Trump was trying to shut it all down, then it also went on to include a criminal investigation which looked into potential obstruction of justice charges against Trump and others within the campaign and administration - and THAT is not something Trump has the position to say is false or not.

Everyone has seen the video evidence of him stating, for example, that he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation that was seeking to protect American democracy - afterwards telling Russian officials: "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off", further adding "I’m not under investigation."

So at that point it wasn't him that was under investigation, but as it became more and more obvious that he was trying to shut it all down, then it did become about him, and not in any way that only he could somehow know if the allegations were false or not.

It's like he used/abused democracy to get into the Whitehouse but then seemed to have no interest in protecting the integrity of that democratic process - and especially having no interest in protecting it from manipulation by traditional foreign adversaries to the United States. Lol, no wonder he was under investigation!

Here's the evidence, if you've forgotten:



“I was going to fire Comey knowing, there was no good time to do it. And in fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won,” Trump told Holt.

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: May 6th, 2019, 11:47 pm
by Serpent
Not big on irony, huh?

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: May 6th, 2019, 11:51 pm
by Mossling
What irony?

And here is just one thing that came out of the investigation that Trump is pretty clearly GUILTY of trying to shut down, via FOX news:



Russian nationals, companies indicted for election meddling - commiting federal crimes whilst seeking to interfere in the American political system.

Lol, so whose interests does Trump really have close to his heart in all this, Serpent? And whose interests are you acting in when you try to spin such topics? You sound very much like an enabler when you do.

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: May 7th, 2019, 8:11 am
by Serpent
What irony?

My feeble attempt at humour above. I honestly don't believe that my little jibe retroactively enables anybody to have done anything. And you don't yet know the half of what they're guilty. of.

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: May 7th, 2019, 10:24 pm
by Mossling
Serpent » May 7th, 2019, 9:11 pm wrote:
What irony?

My feeble attempt at humour above. I honestly don't believe that my little jibe retroactively enables anybody to have done anything. And you don't yet know the half of what they're guilty. of.

I see - you were joking. I guess you have changed somewhat since our previous interactions on this topic then ;P .

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: May 7th, 2019, 11:10 pm
by Serpent
Mossling » May 7th, 2019, 9:24 pm wrote:I see - you were joking. I guess you have changed somewhat since our previous interactions on this topic then ;P .

What? I have never, not for one minute since I first clapped eyes on the ------ in a 197(2?) interview with Dick Cavett, doubted that DJ Trump was a habitual and probably pathological liar. (I made some other, less flattering observations, as well, and they have multiplied over time.) In the 2016 campaign alone, I counted 367 provable lies. Since that time, the number has exceeded my counting capability, but I'm sure Watson knows. Just get Watson back on Jeopardy and disable two annoyances with one big blue machine.

Re: Trump: An Emerging Dictatorship?

PostPosted: August 20th, 2019, 9:44 am
by TheVat
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... on/596335/

This sort of reaction is somewhat encouraging, if it translates into action. And visits to a polling station.