Is free will all or nothing?

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Re: Is free will all or nothing?

Postby parsoff on January 28th, 2018, 4:17 am 

If you take for example that you need first and ovum and a sperm, then you need to wait 9 months to be born then those 9 months is not free will because it is a process of the biology.

There is 0 free will in that process.

If you continue after birth you need every night cel regeneration for your organs to be able to function, every night and that for 75 years and then you are dead.

In that process you also have 0 free will.

If you look at the big picture of the life of a modern human then it doesn't have that much time and in that short time this free will have to take place as there is no other possibility for free will to take place.
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Re: Is free will all or nothing?

Postby mitchellmckain on January 28th, 2018, 4:08 pm 

parsoff » January 28th, 2018, 3:17 am wrote:If you take for example that you need first and ovum and a sperm, then you need to wait 9 months to be born then those 9 months is not free will because it is a process of the biology.

There is 0 free will in that process.

This does not follow. You are doing exactly what I warned against -- confusing freedom with control. Just because there are things you cannot control does not mean there is no freedom. Furthermore there is a highly quantitative element to both life and its fundamental ingredient we name freedom of the will. Life grows and living organisms develop their own power to do things. Thus their ability to interact with their environment and change themselves is not a constant thing but something which changes. The range of available responses grows with their awareness - not that awareness and freedom are things which inevitably increases. There are negative elements to life given the various names of evil, destructiveness, and bad habits. And thus we are also capable of choices which are detrimental to life, awareness, and freedom of will.

So then to your example... That there are fundamental realities in the growth from zygote to viable fetus does not mean there is no free will. There is, in fact, considerable variance in the process which is ultimately unpredictable, including the duration of pregnancy which you have mentioned. That this is constrained to approximate limits does not remove the liberty with in its ranges. The freedom of will is always confined within a domain of possibilities and it is unreasonable to equate this with an absence of it.

parsoff » January 28th, 2018, 3:17 am wrote:If you continue after birth you need every night cel regeneration for your organs to be able to function, every night and that for 75 years and then you are dead.

In that process you also have 0 free will.

And once again you paint an inaccurate picture confounding free will with the idea of control. We most certainly do have considerable free will in this, but to be sure, as always, it is within limits. Living cautiously and wisely or recklessly and foolish is your own choice and this has considerable impact on the length of your life.

parsoff » January 28th, 2018, 3:17 am wrote:If you look at the big picture of the life of a modern human then it doesn't have that much time and in that short time this free will have to take place as there is no other possibility for free will to take place.

That you believe this does not make it so. Others believe otherwise. It is a possibility to be sure and certainly a rational conclusion. Regardless, the fact that free will is confined to limitations does not equate to there being no such thing.
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Re: Is free will all or nothing?

Postby parsoff on January 28th, 2018, 5:05 pm 

(quote)This does not follow. You are doing exactly what I warned against -- confusing freedom with control. Just because there are things you cannot control does not mean there is no freedom. (quote)

That is true




parsoff » January 28th, 2018, 3:17 am wrote:If you look at the big picture of the life of a modern human then it doesn't have that much time and in that short time this free will have to take place as there is no other possibility for free will to take place.

That you believe this does not make it so. Others believe otherwise. It is a possibility to be sure and certainly a rational conclusion. Regardless, the fact that free will is confined to limitations does not equate to there being no such thing.[/quote]


It is clear to me that other believe otherwise
I have my own way . and that can never be identical to another's point of view
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