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Can deism have scientific background ?

Postby socrat44 on February 13th, 2018, 5:35 am 

Can deism have scientific background ?
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Deism is a theological theory concerning the relationship between
a Creator and the natural world.
To have relationship with the natural world the Creator or Creators
need to have concrete physical parameters.
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Can deism have scientific background ?
Can God or Gods have physical and mathematical qualities ?
My answer is ''yes'' .
Why?
Because if we don't know what light is, if we don't know what electron is,
if we don't know what quantum particles are and what vacuum is -
then fundamental physics opening the door to deism.
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a) '' All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?'
Nowadays every Tom, **** and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken '‘ / Einstein /
b) 'It is important to realize that in physics today, we have
no knowledge of what energy is. We do not have a picture that
energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount. It is not that way.'' 
/  Richard Feynman about an electron /
c)  ” The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
  is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct
description of something more complex? “   / Paul Dirac ./
d) '' Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be
regarded as real.'' / Niels Bohr about quantum particles./
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Re: Can deism have scientific background ?

Postby doogles on February 14th, 2018, 6:24 am 

Socrat4 -a) '' All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?'
Nowadays every Tom, **** and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken '‘ / Einstein /
b) 'It is important to realize that in physics today, we have
no knowledge of what energy is. We do not have a picture that
energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount. It is not that way.''
/ Richard Feynman about an electron /
c) ” The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct
description of something more complex? “ / Paul Dirac ./
d) '' Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be
regarded as real.'' / Niels Bohr about quantum particles./


We should frame these four statements as a 2018 milestone in the history of human progress and discovery -- the year we realised that the more we get into delving and discovering the nature of the universe, the more it shows how little we know about the basics.

Life is a gigantic joke of some kind.

And we humans appear to be the butt of it.

Bring on theology and philosophy.
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Re: Can deism have scientific background ?

Postby doogles on February 14th, 2018, 6:30 am 

Post Script -- Oh and also bring on Omar Khayyam.
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Re: Can deism have scientific background ?

Postby socrat44 on February 14th, 2018, 9:10 am 

[quote="doogles » February 14th, 2018, 6:24 am

We should frame these four statements as a 2018 milestone in the history
of human progress and discovery -- the year we realised that the more
we get into delving and discovering the nature of the universe,
the more it shows how little we know about the basics.

Life is a gigantic joke of some kind.

And we humans appear to be the butt of it.

Bring on theology and philosophy.[/quote]

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The Seven Hermetic Principles
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1. The Universe is something Intellectual.
2. As above, so below.
3. From potential to active existence.
4. Everything in the Universe can vibrate.
5. Everything in the Universe has its cause.
6. Everything in the Universe has its opposite.
7. The Universe has its own rhythm.
         / Hermes Trismegistus /
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Plato – world of ideas.
Leibniz - monadas.
Kant - thing-in-itself
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“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio,
than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
   William Shakespeare, Hamlet
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Re: Can deism have scientific background ?

Postby mitchellmckain on February 14th, 2018, 6:38 pm 

socrat44 » February 13th, 2018, 4:35 am wrote:Can deism have scientific background ?


What do you mean by "scientific background?"

Can you come up with a lot of reasons from the findings of science to support deism?

Sure. But we have people doing this for creationism.

Anybody can come up with a lot of reasons from the findings of science to support just about anything. As long as your methodology is rhetoric then you can come with up with a rationality to support most beliefs. It is only when you restrict your methodology to the methods of honest inquiry in science itself that this changes.

So if that is what you mean by "scientific background" then answer is NO! The methodology of science does not support creationism or deism of any kind.

Is there no middle ground?

Yes there is. You can at least require the beliefs to be consistent with the findings of science. That will rule out creationism. But will it select between the wide variety of beliefs in all the world religions? No, it will not.

So yes you can do this to justify theism, atheism, polytheism, animism, unicornism, fairyism, psychicism, ufoism, etc... as well as deism.
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Re: Can deism have scientific background ?

Postby socrat44 on February 15th, 2018, 6:09 am 

mitchellmckain » February 14th, 2018, 6:38 pm wrote:
Anybody can come up with a lot of reasons from the findings
of science to support just about anything.

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Yeah, but somehow science had progress in technology
leaving the philosophy of science for many speculations.
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Re: Can deism have scientific background ?

Postby mitchellmckain on February 16th, 2018, 3:54 am 

socrat44 » February 15th, 2018, 5:09 am wrote:Yeah, but somehow science had progress in technology
leaving the philosophy of science for many speculations.


But this technology did not come from the use of scientific findings in rhetoric to support subjective beliefs. Technology is more about seeing how the scientific discoveries can be exploited by applying the mathematical equations for the manipulation of things in the world.

It is not such a straightforward application of scientific principles which leads to deism. That requires highly subjective interpretations in applying the ideas of science to non-scientific issues.
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