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Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby socrat44 on February 21st, 2018, 10:07 am 

Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.
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a) The evolution of Nature began from micro-world,
from laws and formulas of Quantum physics.
b) All quantum particles exist in Dirac's ''vacuum sea' but nobody
explains the parameters and conditions of Dirac's ''sea''.
c) All quantum particles must have concrete geometrical form but
nobody explain the g/ form of quantum particle.
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So, the best and easy way to understand Nature is to begin with
Quantum theory: Dirac's reference frame and g/ form of quantum particles.
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby Braininvat on February 21st, 2018, 10:54 am 

The best way to understand nature is to observe nature. It's called science.
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby socrat44 on February 21st, 2018, 1:51 pm 

Braininvat » February 21st, 2018, 10:54 am wrote:The best way to understand nature is to observe nature. It's called science.



Yeah, you are right:
a) observation can be doing in a reference frame
b) the observed object must have a geometric form.

It's called science.
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby someguy1 on February 21st, 2018, 4:15 pm 

socrat44 » February 21st, 2018, 8:07 am wrote:a) The evolution of Nature began from micro-world,
from laws and formulas of Quantum physics.


Where did the laws and formulas of quantum physics come from?

I would say that they came from the historically contingent process of science. These formulas and laws showed up in the first few decades of the twentieth century.

You seem to be saying they pre-existed the creation of the macro world. So where did they come from?
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby wolfhnd on February 21st, 2018, 7:20 pm 

Philosophy= The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.


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With that definition who could argue that philosophy isn't the best way to study any subject.
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby socrat44 on February 22nd, 2018, 2:41 am 

someguy1 » February 21st, 2018, 4:15 pm wrote:
socrat44 » February 21st, 2018, 8:07 am wrote:a) The evolution of Nature began from micro-world,
from laws and formulas of Quantum physics.


Where did the laws and formulas of quantum physics come from?

I would say that they came from the historically contingent process of science.
These formulas and laws showed up in the first few decades of the twentieth century.

You seem to be saying they pre-existed the creation of the macro world.
So where did they come from?


Yeah
In the beginning the Science was developed as knowledge about macro-world
and only in 1900 (thanks to Planck) physicists began to study micro-world.
Today we know: the Quantum laws of micro-world were existed before
the Classic / Newtonian laws of macro-world.
Micro-world is kingdom of Quantum's laws and it is a pity that we cannot
understand their essence.
'' I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.''
    /  Richard P. Feynman /
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby socrat44 on February 22nd, 2018, 2:44 am 

wolfhnd » February 21st, 2018, 7:20 pm wrote:
Philosophy= The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.


Oxford Dictionary

With that definition who could argue that philosophy isn't the best way to study any subject.


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In XXI century Philosophy without laws and formulas of Physics is tautology.
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby wolfhnd on February 22nd, 2018, 3:16 am 

What does it mean to understand?

How does nature and metaphysics intersect?
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby BadgerJelly on February 22nd, 2018, 3:32 am 

wolfhnd » February 22nd, 2018, 3:16 pm wrote:What does it mean to understand?

How does nature and metaphysics intersect?


Exactly! People conflate "meaning" with "understanding" all the time. Knowing how a electrical circuitry functions does little to my over all understanding of life in a "meaningful" way.

The greatest thing about philosophy is enabling ourselves to present abstract concepts into verbose form and fashion new ways to "view" the world and create a more meaningful and "productive" life within our bounded existence.

Funnily enough bumped into a high energy theoretical physicist on my hols and had a quick discussion about "meaning" and the use of science. We both agreed that science tells us nothing about what something "means" to us. The brilliance of science is precisely its complete disregard for "meaning" and it is invaluable as a method with which to come face-to-face with a "map" of the world in as an objectively verifiable way as possible - what that "means" as a result is not any concern of science and from there the pursuit of "articulating" and "expressing" what is gleaned from the "raw data" inhabits us with a "meaningful" byproduct.

The best way to understand something is to EXPERIENCE it. We are limited in our reach when it comes to EXPERIENCE and from there we extend our reach through products of the imagination and tools to probe beyond our physical limitations (the latter being the mainstay of experimental science.)
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby socrat44 on February 22nd, 2018, 8:03 am 

BadgerJelly » February 22nd, 2018, 3:32 am wrote:
wolfhnd » February 22nd, 2018, 3:16 pm wrote:What does it mean to understand?

How does nature and metaphysics intersect?


The greatest thing about philosophy is enabling ourselves to present
abstract concepts into verbose form and fashion new ways to "view"
the world and create a more meaningful and "productive" life within our bounded existence.

The best way to understand something is to EXPERIENCE it.
We are limited in our reach when it comes to EXPERIENCE
and from there we extend our reach through products of the
imagination and tools to probe beyond our physical limitations
(the latter being the mainstay of experimental science.)


Today the philosophy of physics and nature is ''abstract'' ( as Richard  Feynman wrote)
Today the philosophy of physics is concept of pompous words, 
To come face-to-face with a "map"  of the real world is possible only when we
understand the Quantum theory: its reference frame and quantum particles.

Philosophy is LOGICAL knowledge of Nature.
This LOGIC must be based on laws and formulas of Physics.

EXPERIENCE is another way to understand Nature
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Re: Philosophy: the best and easy way to understand Nature.

Postby socrat44 on February 27th, 2018, 10:53 am 

“[Quantum mechanics] describes nature as absurd from the point of view
of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment.
So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd.”
/ Richard P. Feynman /

Why '' . . . you can accept nature as She is - absurd.” / Richard P. Feynman /

Because Einstein and Infeld wrote in the book “Evolution of Physics” :
“ We have the laws, but we are not aware what the body
of reference system they belong to, and all our physical
construction appears erected on sand ”.
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What can be reference frame for new ideas?
  DISCOVER.
FROM THE AUGUST 2008 ISSUE
Nothingness of Space Could Illuminate the Theory of Everything
Could the vacuum contain dark energy, gravity particles, and frictionless gears?
By Tim Folger.  Friday, July 18, 2008

'' When the next revolution rocks physics,chances are it will be
about nothing—the vacuum, that endless infinite void.''

'' Some physicists like to think that M theory will form the basis of what
they call a theory of everything, a set of laws that will completely
describe the universe in all its strangeness, where dark energy, quantum theory,
extra dimensions, and magazine readers will all fit into one tidy package.
But in the end, the key to cosmic truth may well come from another window
on reality, the looming void. A good theory of nothing just might be the
theory of everything physicists have sought for so long.''

http://discovermagazine.com/2008/aug/18 ... everything
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Paul Dirac wrote:
'‘ The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description
of something more complex? ‘'
/ Paul Dirac /
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If we want to  understand the logical reality of Nature we need to solve
'‘ The problem of the exact description of vacuum'' . . . /Dirac/

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