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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby edy420 on December 24th, 2020, 3:59 pm 

'I'm more surprised that CNN still exists' - Elon Musk

Heh, how could I forget the infamous rivalry.. Even when he provided receipts and emails, mainstream media still doubled down on bias reporting.
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby Serpent on December 24th, 2020, 4:06 pm 

Nor that I expect an answer, but I have to wonder, Edy, what is your stake in American politics and media?
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby edy420 on December 24th, 2020, 4:14 pm 

The world is at the mercy of American politics and economy... Well at least NZ is, and most likely most of the Western world... Considering all the peace deals in the Middle East, then maybe them too.

If America burns, NZ will have to fight spot fires. We seem to copy American political shifts, with a slight lag. If the American economy crumbles, then so will ours.

There's that, and then I appreciate, not being lied too.
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby Serpent on December 24th, 2020, 5:16 pm 

edy420 » December 24th, 2020, 3:14 pm wrote:The world is at the mercy of American politics and economy... Well at least NZ is, and most likely most of the Western world... Considering all the peace deals in the Middle East, then maybe them too.

This is true.

If America burns, NZ will have to fight spot fires.

This is not true. America is not burning. It's going through an existential crisis - as all nations must, periodically.
We seem to copy American political shifts, with a slight lag. If the American economy crumbles, then so will ours.

All economies are crumbling - no "if". That's not down to US politics; that's the way global capitalism transpires. How capitalism 'normally' operates is on boom-bust cycles, which are usually localized to a country and its immediate trading partners. But now capital is cosmopolitan, can teleport anywhere it wants to at the touch of a button, all economies are attached in a single web. When something - a war out of control, a pandemic, a climate disaster - snaps a few of the strands, the whole thing comes unravelled.
That's inevitable. Probably not just yet, in spite of Trump's more destructive efforts, but pretty soon.
But it's got nothing at all to do with the right wingnut rumour-mill.

There's that, and then I appreciate, not being lied too.

In fact, you have recently shown yourself all too eager to be lied to - the bigger and less plausible the lie, the faster you seem to deposit its slightly mangled corpse on our doorstep.
You're lucky enough to live in a country that's not tearing itself to pieces, yet you can't take your mind off the mismanaged railway system of American public affairs.
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby edy420 on January 3rd, 2021, 3:32 pm 

Serpent,

The amount of raw footage I've reviewed, I like to think.. I can think for myself.

The Covington Kid, got 80million dollars, because of media bias. I reviewed the raw footage, and concluded it was a sham, days before it was made public, that the media had released a false narrative.

I also reviewed much of the Kanosha Kid raw footage and came to another conclusion in opposition to the media. It seems many other people also came to the same conclusion, because his mother was able to fund raise 2million dollars for his bail.

I've reviewed raw footage of the election fraud evidence, and now the audits. Youl be surprised to know, that based on this raw footage, I am able to come to my own conclusion on whether or not the media is bias on this topic.

I must have seen at at least 1-2 hours of raw footage on these topics alone. How much have you seen. How much have you just been told, and then agree with.
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby Serpent on January 3rd, 2021, 6:58 pm 

Where do you get all this "raw footage"?

Everyone is still wrong about the Covington kids - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... let-it-be/
The quarrel over the Covington teens is not only a story of social media hate-mobbing. It’s also a story of the groupthinking tendency to hop off a bandwagon as unthinkingly as we hop onto it. More important, it’s a story of our desire to make every cultural controversy fit into a framework that tells some distillable truth about the state of our country today. Any actual truth about the rifts running through America right now can’t be cleanly distilled. That’s a harder story to tell — which might be why so few are trying.
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby edy420 on January 3rd, 2021, 11:39 pm 

I follow a number of podcasters and youtubers who are given the raw footage on social media. Or the footage goes viral in the truth seeking circles. Some topics I just Google until I find the footage. Podcasters I watch like IRL Timcast and Destiny are open about being liberals. Then there's open conservatives. Of all the podcasters I like Joe Rogan, because he's the least bias.

In the Covington kid story, The media narrative is that a white racist Catholic kid, racially abused a native American by getting in his face and smirking.

If you watch the full clip, you see its the native American who's causing all the trouble.

What conclusion did you come to on this story?
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby Serpent on January 4th, 2021, 1:32 am 

What conclusion did you come to on this story?

Only one conclusion: -The USA a seriously fucked-up country atm.


and some observations:
The kid is a horrid little snot who needs his ass kicked. (If the trumpites get their way, he'll someday get appointed to the Supreme Court by King J.F. Kushner.)
The Native probably shouldn't have been there, or been less confrontational.
The media are so pressured to produce dramatic content and compete with one another for sponsorship that they no longer take the time for responsible journalism.
Americans are far too ready to litigate and throw ridiculous amounts of money around.
The whole incident is a tempest in a teacup - nothing like the fatal shooting at Kenosha.

Regarding what is whose fault and to what extent: even if I had been there, I couldn't possibly have judged. All the conflicts and dysfunctions go back too far.
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby Serpent on April 1st, 2021, 6:41 pm 

edy420 » April 1st, 2021, 3:56 pm wrote:Trump slips on a slippery ramp 1., and the media goes crazy 2. Also viral, when he had a slight puff 3. after running up stairs.

Last week Biden stumbles 3 times, falls over, 4. nearly dying 5. on some stairs 6., and the media says nothing 7. Then again stumbles a couple days ago.

Media bias confirmed.8


1. The ramp was shallow and dry.
2. It was shown and remarked, yes, mainly as concern for his health, coming as it did minutes after he had trouble raising a glass, a week after he was exposed to Covid-19, and during a period when he refused to take or allow any reasonable precautions against the disease and was assiduously broadcasting dangerous misinformation about it.
3. While ascending stairs he didn't need to, right after being discharged, and pretending to have "beaten" a serious enough case of Covid to be helicoptered to hospital. Yes, his "heroic" bout with the disease was widely publicized - not least by his own PR team.
In fact, there has been so much bruiting by himself and his fake doctor about his grand, robust, decades-younger state of physical fitness, people were bound to question it.

4. With a recently healed leg fracture, wearing a mask, which (in case you're one of those and don't know) makes it difficult to see down in front of you.
5. No question of dying, just some trouble recovering from the fist stumble. He actually was a decent college athlete (while Trump is a cheating golfer), but doesn't pretend to be one now - I'll bet he doesn't even own a Superman teeshirt.
6. On really steep stairs with high risers.
7. and it went viral. Naturally, reporters notice, remark on and reproduce on public platforms, everything that a world leader does - good, bad and clumsy.

8. Well, it is April first.
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby edy420 on April 2nd, 2021, 2:55 am 

Serpent » 02 Apr 2021, 11:41 wrote:
edy420 » April 1st, 2021, 3:56 pm wrote:Trump slips on a slippery ramp 1., and the media goes crazy 2. Also viral, when he had a slight puff 3. after running up stairs.

Last week Biden stumbles 3 times, falls over, 4. nearly dying 5. on some stairs 6., and the media says nothing 7. Then again stumbles a couple days ago.

Media bias confirmed.8


1. The ramp was shallow and dry.
2. It was shown and remarked, yes, mainly as concern for his health, coming as it did minutes after he had trouble raising a glass, a week after he was exposed to Covid-19, and during a period when he refused to take or allow any reasonable precautions against the disease and was assiduously broadcasting dangerous misinformation about it.
3. While ascending stairs he didn't need to, right after being discharged, and pretending to have "beaten" a serious enough case of Covid to be helicoptered to hospital. Yes, his "heroic" bout with the disease was widely publicized - not least by his own PR team.
In fact, there has been so much bruiting by himself and his fake doctor about his grand, robust, decades-younger state of physical fitness, people were bound to question it.

4. With a recently healed leg fracture, wearing a mask, which (in case you're one of those and don't know) makes it difficult to see down in front of you.
5. No question of dying, just some trouble recovering from the fist stumble. He actually was a decent college athlete (while Trump is a cheating golfer), but doesn't pretend to be one now - I'll bet he doesn't even own a Superman teeshirt.
6. On really steep stairs with high risers.
7. and it went viral. Naturally, reporters notice, remark on and reproduce on public platforms, everything that a world leader does - good, bad and clumsy.

8. Well, it is April first.


Serpent,

Not sure why my post disappeared. This is the third time I've noticed my posts just vanishing. I thought it was my new phone bugging out, but since you quoted my post, it's now obvious someone is just deleting my posts, for no good reason.

Whoever is deleting them, I'd at least expect the decency for an explenation each time.

Not sure how I can participate in a debate, if my posts just keep disappearing like this...
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby Serpent on April 2nd, 2021, 7:40 am 

Maybe because it's the same old - and now wholly outdated - propaganda? I've committed to refuting all of your disinformation. Maybe there is an equally committed, but inarticulate bot monitoring and flagging Trumpanalia?
Re which: you might do worse than forget him and move on.
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Re: Bias, or just fact?

Postby TheVat on April 2nd, 2021, 12:51 pm 

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Just a reminder. In case it wasn't clear already.
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