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Re: Bias, or just fact?

PostPosted: December 24th, 2020, 3:59 pm
by edy420
'I'm more surprised that CNN still exists' - Elon Musk

Heh, how could I forget the infamous rivalry.. Even when he provided receipts and emails, mainstream media still doubled down on bias reporting.

Re: Bias, or just fact?

PostPosted: December 24th, 2020, 4:06 pm
by Serpent
Nor that I expect an answer, but I have to wonder, Edy, what is your stake in American politics and media?

Re: Bias, or just fact?

PostPosted: December 24th, 2020, 4:14 pm
by edy420
The world is at the mercy of American politics and economy... Well at least NZ is, and most likely most of the Western world... Considering all the peace deals in the Middle East, then maybe them too.

If America burns, NZ will have to fight spot fires. We seem to copy American political shifts, with a slight lag. If the American economy crumbles, then so will ours.

There's that, and then I appreciate, not being lied too.

Re: Bias, or just fact?

PostPosted: December 24th, 2020, 5:16 pm
by Serpent
edy420 » December 24th, 2020, 3:14 pm wrote:The world is at the mercy of American politics and economy... Well at least NZ is, and most likely most of the Western world... Considering all the peace deals in the Middle East, then maybe them too.

This is true.

If America burns, NZ will have to fight spot fires.

This is not true. America is not burning. It's going through an existential crisis - as all nations must, periodically.
We seem to copy American political shifts, with a slight lag. If the American economy crumbles, then so will ours.

All economies are crumbling - no "if". That's not down to US politics; that's the way global capitalism transpires. How capitalism 'normally' operates is on boom-bust cycles, which are usually localized to a country and its immediate trading partners. But now capital is cosmopolitan, can teleport anywhere it wants to at the touch of a button, all economies are attached in a single web. When something - a war out of control, a pandemic, a climate disaster - snaps a few of the strands, the whole thing comes unravelled.
That's inevitable. Probably not just yet, in spite of Trump's more destructive efforts, but pretty soon.
But it's got nothing at all to do with the right wingnut rumour-mill.

There's that, and then I appreciate, not being lied too.

In fact, you have recently shown yourself all too eager to be lied to - the bigger and less plausible the lie, the faster you seem to deposit its slightly mangled corpse on our doorstep.
You're lucky enough to live in a country that's not tearing itself to pieces, yet you can't take your mind off the mismanaged railway system of American public affairs.

Re: Bias, or just fact?

PostPosted: January 3rd, 2021, 3:32 pm
by edy420
Serpent,

The amount of raw footage I've reviewed, I like to think.. I can think for myself.

The Covington Kid, got 80million dollars, because of media bias. I reviewed the raw footage, and concluded it was a sham, days before it was made public, that the media had released a false narrative.

I also reviewed much of the Kanosha Kid raw footage and came to another conclusion in opposition to the media. It seems many other people also came to the same conclusion, because his mother was able to fund raise 2million dollars for his bail.

I've reviewed raw footage of the election fraud evidence, and now the audits. Youl be surprised to know, that based on this raw footage, I am able to come to my own conclusion on whether or not the media is bias on this topic.

I must have seen at at least 1-2 hours of raw footage on these topics alone. How much have you seen. How much have you just been told, and then agree with.

Re: Bias, or just fact?

PostPosted: January 3rd, 2021, 6:58 pm
by Serpent
Where do you get all this "raw footage"?

Everyone is still wrong about the Covington kids - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... let-it-be/
The quarrel over the Covington teens is not only a story of social media hate-mobbing. It’s also a story of the groupthinking tendency to hop off a bandwagon as unthinkingly as we hop onto it. More important, it’s a story of our desire to make every cultural controversy fit into a framework that tells some distillable truth about the state of our country today. Any actual truth about the rifts running through America right now can’t be cleanly distilled. That’s a harder story to tell — which might be why so few are trying.

Re: Bias, or just fact?

PostPosted: January 3rd, 2021, 11:39 pm
by edy420
I follow a number of podcasters and youtubers who are given the raw footage on social media. Or the footage goes viral in the truth seeking circles. Some topics I just Google until I find the footage. Podcasters I watch like IRL Timcast and Destiny are open about being liberals. Then there's open conservatives. Of all the podcasters I like Joe Rogan, because he's the least bias.

In the Covington kid story, The media narrative is that a white racist Catholic kid, racially abused a native American by getting in his face and smirking.

If you watch the full clip, you see its the native American who's causing all the trouble.

What conclusion did you come to on this story?

Re: Bias, or just fact?

PostPosted: January 4th, 2021, 1:32 am
by Serpent
What conclusion did you come to on this story?

Only one conclusion: -The USA a seriously fucked-up country atm.


and some observations:
The kid is a horrid little snot who needs his ass kicked. (If the trumpites get their way, he'll someday get appointed to the Supreme Court by King J.F. Kushner.)
The Native probably shouldn't have been there, or been less confrontational.
The media are so pressured to produce dramatic content and compete with one another for sponsorship that they no longer take the time for responsible journalism.
Americans are far too ready to litigate and throw ridiculous amounts of money around.
The whole incident is a tempest in a teacup - nothing like the fatal shooting at Kenosha.

Regarding what is whose fault and to what extent: even if I had been there, I couldn't possibly have judged. All the conflicts and dysfunctions go back too far.