Re: Can time exist without matter?
by Enigma1956 on June 2nd, 2017, 6:56 am
[quote="[url=http://www.sciencechatforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=321296#p321296]mitchellmckain » May 12th, 2017, 3:23 am[/url]"][quote]Can time exist without matter?[/quote]
Yes
It did. Time came into existence before matter.
If you want a more difficult question then ask...
[i]Can time exist without energy?[/i]
In that case, you going to have a difficulty with defining energy apart from time.
We can, and I do speculate that there is substance of all thing which is like energy and then I would say that you cannot have time without [i]that[/i]. I think it is the clear implication of modern physics that there is nothing universal or absolute about time and it is just as much a part of and contingent upon the physical universe as anything else. (In fact, time is simply an ordering of events and there is no reason why there might not be many separate temporal orderings in existence somewhere.) So, I would think this energy-like substance of all being is a pre-requisite for the existence of time. But, energy as we know it in science is just as much a part of the structure of the universe as is time and there is no justification for a precedence in that case.
I suspect this is coming from a kind of phenomenological thinking that time requires some effect as if there can be no time without a means to measure it. I believe this leads to logical inconsistencies, however.[/quote]
Greetings! I find your assertion that, "... <i> there is nothing universal or absolute about time ..." to be interesting ... but mislead and incorrect. Your assertion is based on your perception of Time Absolute (tA) as being, "an ordering of events," which is Causality and is based on Special Relativity's early definitions of tA.
Causality is NOT "Time Absolute," rather it is 'Time Dynamic' (tD) and is merely the matrix/reference frame by which we are enabled to create a measurement of tA.
[b]tA > the existence/duration of any thing, even if that "thing" is a state of absolute Nothingness (nZ). [/b] This is the most precise and practical definition of Time Absolute; and, tA IS a Cosmological Constant which "flows" at a uniform rate regardless of the circumstances of Causality/tD.
We may develop 2 ways to measure tA/tD:
(i) Time Subjective (tS) > the measurement of tA/tD using cyclic events of uniform duration as experienced by 1 or more Observers sharing a common environmental reference frame; and,
(ii) Time Objective (tO) > the measurement of tA/tD using a cyclic event of uniform duration as experienced by 2 or more Observers without any other common environmental reference frames. (for example; 2 observers living on different planets/in different Galaxies may have completely different reference points {cyclic events of uniform duration} and therefore unable to establish a common clock based on their respective environments, but might use a single Cosmic Event to develop a common clock/calendar)
The presently held belief that Time, per se, dilates/contracts due to circumstances of gravitational force/hypervelocity is based on temporal illusion, but is NOT a valid theory. Consider Einstein's infamous 'Train-Clock' thought experiment in which an Observer at the rear of a train accelerating to C/light speed sees an infinitely visible clock's hands slow down as the velocity reaches at/near C. Einstein's rendition of this scenario failed to include the fact that as the train-board Observer approaches C velocity, the photons carrying the information from the clock no longer reach him with new information ... rather the Observer's eyes hold only the last photonic image received as his velocity reached C and he was moving in synch with the light wave.
Now consider the following scenario: we have a giant clock laid out in Space on a horizontal plain. The circumference of the clock is 1 light second, and there is a single hand on the clock the point of which circumnavigates the clock once per second (i.e. the hand's tip moves at C velocity around the clock face). We take a pair of Twins, and place one in an observation chair at the rim of the clock in the 12:00 position; and, the other Twin we place in an observation chair on the tip of the clock's hand moving at C around the clock. Each Twin has a very expensive synchronized watch. As the Twin on the clock passes the Twin on the rim, they will see that exactly 1 second passes each time they see each other. Thus we debunk Einsteinian Special Relativity's assertion that Twins would age differently AND that Time dilates for an Observer travelling at C velocity.