Athena wrote:Did you ever think about ordering a cup for water in a fast food place and filling it with soda? I know I thought about doing that, but stop short of putting a little squirt of lemonade in a cup and then filling it with water. It is healthier than the soda for sure. Anyway, this is what can happen if you do cheat. Like he is in jail and is charged with a felony!
http://www.dailybreeze.com/latestnews/c ... fills-cup-
Athena wrote:There are habitual criminals in my family. I think we should have a fenced community for these folks, and make it as normal as possible, with males and females. Punishing them makes as much sense of punishing a lion for being lion. They are as they are. Change might be possible, and if a prison community were more like a normal one, we could better judge if someone is ready to live in a less unrestricted community or not.
Our present system is about dumb.
In the case of the man in the story, looks like he could be deported to Naples. It would cost a lot less to send him back home than keep him locked up a year.
Athena wrote:Laugh, I thought it was Naples, India. Of course the man could be retarded or otherwise mentally impaired, and in such case, a supervised living situation may be appropriate. I think the state run asylums we once had, are a good idea if run properly. I think this is a far more humane way to deal with people who have cognitive challenges, than the criminal justice system. A friend has an adult foster care home and I help her it occasionally.
But I posted the article for all those normal people who might be tempted to cheat. Seriously am I the only one who wondered about getting away with a free cup of pop? I haven't tried because my conscience torments me when I do something wrong, but I wondered what would happen.
We have a store in town that still has the pulleys for bringing items people requested, from the upper floor where it was stored, to the front counter. Of course this system of protecting items from would be dishonest people is no longer used, but the other extreme of putting tempting things in easy reach, may not be too wise. Especially putting candy in a child's reach is just mean.
Watson wrote:There is the constant thought that someone is watching. Or karma.
Isn't this another example of someone escelating the situation to an unnecessary level? McDonalds isn't going to miss $1, or the $o.10 of product. Making a fuss over it is much more costly than doing nothing. The manager should have just ignored it. Now the police, lawyers, courts and prison are all involved, and so now what is the cost.
Yes there is the principle involved. The fact he is a repeat offender makes even less sense to me, given to true cost of making a fuss. Seems like all involved have their priorities out of alignment.
Watson wrote:I don't see mental capacity as the issue. The manager could/should have said to this or any other person, next time you pay for it, please. In most cases this would be enough. Athena, would never go back. But maybe Abaire does come back, so just don't give him the cup. He'll learn from that.
Although if he really does need help, maybe he got locked up because that is the only option for authorities in this case.
Athena wrote:No, a theft is not to be over looked. But I saw how effective it was for the store to tell my homeless, alcoholic friend he could not enter the store. That really hurt him. We are talking the closest food store in miles, and the best place to turn in those cans and bottles, to buy beer.
I have seen the same thing work with other people. In fact our down town has an exclusion zone, and trouble makers are not allowed in that zone. This is not a perfect solution, I much, much rather have education for good citizens, but we don't. Now we have a lot of offensive behavior and criminal behavior, and we have to do something. Our court system, jails and prisons are too jammed and tax payers are paying too much for all of this. It is just pragmatic to use exclusion when it is petty theft.
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