A Tweet Too Far ?

[zetreque]

I'm siding with Watson on this. You keep trying to bring in other people into this conversation. Other people didn't have the largest protests in US history against them. Trying to derail the topic to Obama and others is delusional. Other people/presidents/vice presidents whatever didn't attract nearly as much attention doing nearly as much stupidity. To try to compare it to other people is a bit ridiculous since other presidents didn't tweet all day long causing countless threads on this forum about them. We clearly have the worst president in history and I can say that because while there could have been bad historically, they didn't exist in a time with such a large population, so much media and so much chaos from a president who is living in a bubble and so far completely out of touch with anyone else. Out of touch with his own cabinet, Out of touch with the people who voted for him, out of touch with reality.

[Watson]

Or am I just delusional?

Yes, delusional.

Thanks for setting me straight! (…everybody loves Trump, …everybody loves Trump, …everybody loves Trump)

Glad we were able to sort you out. Was that you fading away? One can only hope we are done with this line of hate conversation.

[Old Rasputin]

Glad we were able to sort you out. Was that you fading away?

Yep that was me fading away, but one last response to Zet before I go…

Other people didn't have the largest protests in US history against them.

So are you blaming Trump for this? …or do the protesters bear any responsibility?

Did Trump make their legs walk? Did Trump make their mouths yell obscenities? Did Trump make them throw rocks and destroy property?

Blaming Trump for our actions and bad behavior seems misplaced at best.

Other people/presidents/vice presidents whatever didn't attract nearly as much attention doing nearly as much stupidity.

So again, was this “attraction/attention” Trump’s doing? Or do the attractors share in any responsibility?

…other presidents didn't tweet all day long causing countless threads on this forum about them.

So is it Trump’s fault that we are creating “countless threads” about his tweets? …or do you and I share in this responsibility? I think we should just blame Watson!

We clearly have the worst president in history…

How did you form this “worst president” (negative) opinion? Was it rationally or irrationally formed?

1. Is it because of all the ‘chaos’ created by the large protests, and all the (negative) attention that he has received?

2. Is it because you have already been possessed with ‘hate’ for this guy?

3. Is it because other people and the news media have told you so?

4. Other?

One can only hope we are done with this line of hate conversation.

Done! Thanks all, for the interesting conversation. ...bye ...bye

[TheVat]

Did Trump make their legs walk? Did Trump make their mouths yell obscenities? Did Trump make them throw rocks and destroy property?

Do most Resist protestors throw rocks, etc.? Most marches and demonstrations have been peaceful, and positively focused on airing grievances, per that thing called the first amendment? I've been in a couple, and the only talk of violence was from rednecks heckling the demonstration. You are cherry-picking news, which is unscientific sophistry. This "hate" digression ends now, or the thread is locked. The topic is Trump tweets, not who is "responsible" for massive social protest or crowd psychology or analyzing the emotions of people who exercise 1st amendment rights. These news forums are not personal soapboxes.

[Watson]

And just when he was leaving.

I'm surprised the comments about Obama knowing about Russian meddling in the election months before the election didn't get more attention. He claims they didn't do it, but they did it on the other guy's watch. Kind of accidentally contradicting himself.

[zetreque]

Blaming Trump for our actions and bad behavior seems misplaced at best.

You must be kidding. You really don't see Trump's behavior?

[Forest_Dump]

Old Rasputin » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:01 am wrote:

Blaming Trump for our actions and bad behavior seems misplaced at best.

You must be kidding. You really don't see Trump's behavior?

Well there is a valid point there. It really isn't Trump's fault that the American people elected a man-baby as President. This is really why I don't hate Trump or spend too much time worrying about what he says or tweets, etc. I have absolutely no expectations that he will change except to try to pander to different groups if and when he thinks it is opportunistic for his personal goals. That is the way sociopaths function and I don't think there is any question that he is a highly functional sociopath. The only useful questions are what can and will the American people do now.

[toucana]

[someguy1]

Didn't Bill Clinton have an intern under his desk? How dignified was that?

[zetreque]

I miss the good old days when presidents weren't constantly the topic of discussion on science forums and everywhere you go because of how stupid, undignified, etc etc etc they are.

[toucana]

Fact Check - John Podesta former Chair of the Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign 2016 never worked for the DNC and had nothing to do with controlling its server. It was his own personal Gmail account that was hacked in March 2016. Private specialists and US intelligence agencies who studied the data theft all concluded that Russian hackers were behind the attack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_emails

[someguy1]

Trump is confusing the fact that the DNC won't turn over their server to the FBI; with the fact that it was Podesta whose password was "password" (*) and was therefore probably hacked by a 15 year old.

Trump got his point across. He spent years on a reality tv show. He totally gets how to communicate with average people. Drives the coastal elites nuts.

(*) Lacking in evidence but Trump's probably believing it anyway. As I do. The DNC ran a very careless computer operation and so did Hillary. And they were supposed to be the hip, computer-savvy party. Not so much, as it turned out.

Alleged debunking:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... ssword-la/

[toucana]

Trump got his point across. He spent years on a reality tv show. He totally gets how to communicate with average people. Drives the coastal elites nuts.

What point ?

He tweeted out a completely factually incorrect piece of garbage to his adoring online audience. Trying to cast him as an inspired communicator is like trying to argue that a homicidal maniac like President Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines is a great democrat, simply because some recent opinion polls allegedly give him a 75% approval rate amongst his loyal followers.

Trump sounds and writes like a 71 one year old whack-job with dementia who can't remember what anyone said to him five minutes earlier.

Judging from the immediate diplomatic row that has broken out over differing versions of who said what during his G20 meeting with Vladimir Putin, that seems to be exactly the truth of the current situation.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/07/politics/trump-putin-meeting/index.html

Perhaps they should have recorded it :-P

[TheVat]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... st/534927/

[TheVat]

http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/about

Seems like it might be useful.

[TheVat]

And where are the tweets that a concerned POTUS should be making, if that's their chosen medium of communicating with the people?

Seeing white supremacists in Virginia yesterday, lead a march holding a Nazi flag, should evoke revulsion in this country and immediate condemnation from Trump. The nation and its President should be united against this sickening display.

Where's his outrage? Where's the twitter storm? His silence on this matter is disturbing.

[toucana]

Donald Trump did eventually find the send button on his Twitter App and put out a weak and prevaricating statement which tried to blame both sides for the violence in Charlottesville

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/trump-statement-alt-right-protests/index.html

This was after a car apparently driven by a white racist ploughed into a group of pedestrians, killing one young woman and injuring another 19 people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40912509

The interesting thing is that leaders of the Alt-right are now said to be enraged with Donald Trump for failing to stand unconditionally with their 'cause'. Here is a Tweet by David Duke a former 'Grand Wizard' and leader of the Klu Klux Klan.

would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/white-supremacists-turn-against-donald-trump/4285/

[toucana]

[TheVat]

Yep, when he did tweet, it alluded to bigotry "on all sides," or "on many sides," and most of the nation was scratching its head trying to figure out where these "other sides" were exactly. AFAICT, there was one side with swastikas and glorifying a man who actively supported slavery (when some of Lee''s slaves attempted to emancipate themselves before Lee deemed it appropriate, they were hunted down, and Lee personally supervised their floggings). The other side seemed to be people being horrified and wanting to represent their community as not a place of hatred and bigotry. I think Trump's "on all sides" comment reveals a man who doesn't want to lose his Brownshirt brigade. So, yes, it's kind of funny that it now looks like he may lose them anyway.

[Forest_Dump]

Yep, when he did tweet, it alluded to bigotry "on all sides," or "on many sides," and most of the nation was scratching its head trying to figure out where these "other sides" were exactly. AFAICT, there was one side with swastikas and glorifying a man who actively supported slavery (when some of Lee''s slaves attempted to emancipate themselves before Lee deemed it appropriate, they were hunted down, and Lee personally supervised their floggings). The other side seemed to be people being horrified and wanting to represent their community as not a place of hatred and bigotry. I think Trump's "on all sides" comment reveals a man who doesn't want to lose his Brownshirt brigade. So, yes, it's kind of funny that it now looks like he may lose them anyway.

Shouldn't be any surprise here. Trump supporters, Trump's administration, Trump's policies and even Trump himself all appear to have in common the attribute of being unstable in every sense of the term, especially the perjorative ones.

[someguy1]

As I understand it, the "other side" is Antifa, which comes to protests with body armor and weapons and masks, and has been known to initiate violence. There's a photo of a protester firing a homemade flamethrower at a white nationalist.A reporter got punched in the face by an Antifa.

For the record I'm a First Amendment purist and I support the right of the nazis and whoever the hell else shows up at these demented "white pride" events to express their ideas. Personally they make me sick but supporting the First Amendment requires a strong stomach.

I do think that Trump should say something. "It's one thing to Make America Great Again, but that does NOT mean that we support the nazi party or the displaying of swastikas, Constitutionally protected expressions of speech though they may be."

Confederate flags are part of US history. They don't bother me like they bother some on the left. But swastika flags. What the fuck? We DESTROYED the Nazis in World War II and for a damn good reason.

If Trump doesn't repudiate the waving of swastika flags in this country, he's crossed a line.

[toucana]

Above is a photo of the moment that a neo-nazi member of the National Vanguard group drove a Dodge car at 40mph into a crowd of pedestrians in Charlottesville.

I don't see anyone dressed in body armour, carrying weapons or wielding flame-throwers for that matter among that group of people, nor indeed anyone offering any conceivable form of threat to anything other than the vanity of racist bigots. The signs they carry say 'Black Lives Matter' and rather poignantly in one case, 'Love'.

The extreme violence and hatred is coming from one direction only, and the authors of it all are obnoxious and embittered nazis who clearly feel empowered and 'validated' by the presence of overt racists and rabble rousing demagogues in the White House.

The complete inability of Donald Trump's administration to condemn all neo-nazis in forthright terms and to treat them as a terrorist group is depressing but predictable. He actively chose to ride into power by playing to this particular audience, but is too big a coward to deal with the consequences of his own rhetoric.

[toucana]

[Sivad]

Hair Twittler is in rare form, what an effed up farce we're living through. I recommend copious boozahol, it won't make it any less stupid but you won't notice it as much.

[zetreque]

Here is a tweet for the record books.

https://twitter.com/GuyEndoreKaiser/sta ... 5009049601

GuyEndoreKaiser tweeted

Junior woke up today with an unquenchable desire to have 10,000 people tweet back at him about how his father is also a Hollywood rapist.

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/stat ... 4802896896
Donald Trump Jr.‏Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr

Donald Trump Jr. Retweeted Tammy Bruce

Why don’t we simplify this greatly and publish a list of those in Hollywood who aren’t creeps??? Apparently a much smaller group.

Tammy Bruce‏Verified account @HeyTammyBruce

My latest: “Another Hollywood case of ‘everyone knows”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ood-moral/

Meanwhile: Any day now we should have a court decision on if Apprentice accuser (one of many sexual assault accusers) will have her day in court against Trump over Sexual Abuse accusations. Yesterday was the final day for Trump's lawyers to make a case for dismissal.

[toucana]

Probably the pick of the last week or so.

[toucana]

Although this is pretty good as well.

[toucana]

If only !

http://mashable.com/2017/11/02/donald-trump-twitter-account/#n5OgueT_5aq2

[zetreque]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... man-error/

Was done by an employee on purpose it sounds like.

I can't recall who now, but someone in another country recently called him President Tweet.

My favorite was the twitter post I saw someone post showing an animated gif of a baby getting excited it was deleted, then a few seconds later showing a face of shock and disgust once it came back.

[zetreque]

The stupidity coming out of the mouths of this nightmare of a government and it's followers is just endless and shocking these days.

http://www.theroot.com/trump-s-energy-secretary-believes-fossil-fuels-can-help-1820094061

If you needed any further proof that the Trump administration is the political embodiment of the Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels classic Dumb and Dumber, here it is: Energy Secretary Rick Perry said Thursday that fossil fuels can help prevent sexual assault by keeping the lights on.

No, this is not a joke. No, you did not accidentally stumble onto The Onion.

Of course if the US, in general, hadn't oppressed the nations of the world in their conquest for these resources, they wouldn't be in such shambled in the first place. Of course it's a much more complicated story, but what a joke.