Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?

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Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?

Postby tj444 on November 7th, 2019, 2:47 pm 

If we treat quantum particles as particles and ignore wave particle duality could quantum mechanics become predictable. Of course the atoms that effect the quantum particles would have to be smaller then quantum particles I use the word atoms loosely. Maybe the atoms are what space is made up of. This also could not explain quantum entanglement but it is a start in explaining quantum mechanics. Why do quantum particles even need to have wave particle duality?

Is this possible? Any current research on this topic?
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Re: Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?

Postby bangstrom on November 7th, 2019, 11:04 pm 

tj444 » November 7th, 2019, 1:47 pm wrote:If we treat quantum particles as particles and ignore wave particle duality could quantum mechanics become predictable. Of course the atoms that effect the quantum particles would have to be smaller then quantum particles I use the word atoms loosely. Maybe the atoms are what space is made up of. This also could not explain quantum entanglement but it is a start in explaining quantum mechanics. Why do quantum particles even need to have wave particle duality?

Is this possible? Any current research on this topic?


It works as you say only in reverse. Particles look more like waves on closer examination so we could ignore the particle nature and view everything as waves. Maybe space is what atoms are made of. This is all ongoing research and speculation and has been for many decades.
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Re: Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?

Postby tj444 on November 8th, 2019, 3:27 pm 

Can this explain Heisenberg uncertainty principle and the photoelectric effect if we view every quantum object as a waves and space as the atoms? Just asking for extra clarity.
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Re: Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?

Postby socrat44 on November 9th, 2019, 3:29 pm 

tj444 » November 7th, 2019, 2:47 pm wrote:If we treat quantum particles as particles and ignore wave particle duality
could quantum mechanics become predictable.

If we treat quantum particles as particles and ignore their wave particle ability
then they can be GRAVITONS the basis of GRAVITY phenomena
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Re: Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?

Postby tj444 on November 9th, 2019, 4:38 pm 

Lets work on the premise that wave particle duality is incorrect. Quantum particles have to be waves or particles not both. Assuming from the discussion so far this seems possible. Can someone state the different arguments in details for quantum particles being only waves and only particles? And what the implications this creates? I also want the conclusion to imply determinism. Remember this is only a beginner forum.


Also socrat44 if you take away wave particle duality how do you explain the graviton and gravitational waves
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Re: Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?

Postby socrat44 on November 10th, 2019, 1:42 am 

tj444 » November 9th, 2019, 4:38 pm wrote: Can someone state the different arguments in details for quantum particles
being only waves and only particles?


Take ''string-particle'' which solves ''duality'' problem
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Re: Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?

Postby socrat44 on November 13th, 2019, 2:11 am 

Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?
Brownian motion (as thermal effect) can explain some of quantum mechanics only
if in the thermal motion can be involved quantum particles ''gravitons''
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Re: Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?

Postby socrat44 on November 15th, 2019, 5:13 pm 

socrat44 » November 13th, 2019, 2:11 am wrote:Can Brownian motion explain some of quantum mechanics?
Brownian motion (as thermal effect) can explain some of quantum mechanics only
if in the thermal motion can be involved quantum particles ''gravitons''


Quantum gravity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity

To understand Quantum gravity needs ''graviton''
To merge QM and GRT needs ''graviton''
There are many candidates on the ''graviton's armchair''
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